I would love to hear from everybody on what belts they use and have used and how they worked for you.

Give brand, part #, cost, and evaluation please.



here is Hoser's 4x4 Tuff belt link.
http://pilotodyssey.com/Pilotbelts.htm

here is Hoser's belt info page
http://pilotodyssey.com/clutch.htm

The stock belts and 4x4 Tuff belts seem to be best. Since all my clutches are worn out.
I have been using the Polaris belts as cheap replacements. (@30.00). These work fine as backup belts and are readily available but you get what you pay for. In my case it doesnt matter what belt I use they wear fast due to wasted clutch faces.

The Polaris belt part # 3211077

I've run the Dayco...1121's (?)..they're crap, but cheap ($30.00 CDN~ 23USD)
I run the Polaris belts, because I can get them for about ($55CDN ~43 USD) They've been holding up well until this year. No nothing lasts. Guess I'm in the same boat as Stoneman, worn clutch faces?? But it's not the driven, because I swapped one from another machine that isn'teating belts..and no difference. My drive is only 3 seasons old, so I'm surprised that it's that one.

I bought 2 of the 4X4Tuff belts, going to install one with my new clutch and rebuilt motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )), install my Digatron and track the hours of use I get with that one.

Dave S. had sent me a slightly used ATVR belt to try...chewed that up withing 10 hrs!

I was running the Dayco Max 1121 (about $30) on my previous machine. That Pilot had a stock clutch and no other mods. The belt seemed to hold up pretty well but I really didn't have too many hours on it.

I'm interetsed to see what works best for the group. I was thinking of buying the 4X4 tuff belt because of their lifetime warranty. But then I got to wondering...if these things really do carry a "lifetime warranty", why do they only sell them in pairs????

My 2 cents.
PNut

With my fl350 and comet clutches i have been using the comet belt with no problems at all.seems to hold up well (i allways carry a spare )through water,snow etc.I am easy on them when they get wet though.They will engage quicker than the stock belts and cost on them is around 45.00 from sara at EEE.sorry don't have a # at the moment.

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Warranty is for mfg. defects like the first batch they made they all shredded because of design it does not
cover normal wear, your going to wear many many belts out , I go through 3 belts a season, they don't last long
in a dirty environment. If you have a belt separation problems you send the old belt back, they inspect it then if
they determine it failed because of a mfg. defect and not because of your bad clutch they will send you a new
one, I had 4 of the 4x4 tuff belts fail and sent them all back, Marv sent me 4 new ones, it took him about 6
months to send them back but that was because he was waiting on the new batch of redesign belts, so far the
new belts are not breaking up like the first batch, the wear seems to be better also, I give them a 2 thumbs up
and when I buy my next batch of belts if they are cheaper than Honda belts I will buy the 4x4 tuff belt.

Those Gates belts from Bearing.com worked great !!!!

AND www.Bearing.com got them to me overnight for a very fair price, I ordered 3

Stoneman told me to make sure i put in the the ordedr form to ship direct from warehouse and that was the hot set up, the next day they were there , the following day I left for the Sunshine State.


I did the whole Ocala trip on a new belt (without breaking it in correctly) and after 4 days of tearing it up the belt looked perfect, barely worn.


At $20. each (not counting shipping) I am sold!!!


This hook up and info was given to me by both hoser and stoneman ( and may have come from someone else), I am regiving it to anyone interested, BUT NOT so someone can resell them at a marked up price!!!!!


You find a deal , PLEASE pass the deal along to the next guy. Don't hide it and exploit it for profits.


This WAS the way the old Pilot Odyssey worked, and when some of the guys (basically hoser and myself) spoke up about the rip offs we were told "someone threaten legal action" (hmmm I wonder who that could have been?) and the board was shut down when i exploded (and my post speaking the truth were permenantly deleted) that nobody stood by Hoser when he got kicked off a board (hoser carried the torch on when nobody else would) hoser could have used a little support, where was his friends, hmmmm? There's not a ONE of you who around here can say that Hoser (or others) hasn't helped you in one way or another (for Free), strangers and friends alike.

now the old PO board has gone to the whores who want to profit off of others, very sad indeed. You guys KNOW who you are (and so do we). The days of plain and simple helping one's fellow man are gone from there, it was never there for many.

There are MANY GOOD GUYS out there who are making and selling quality stuff, within the level of ability, this we NEED, this we WANT, but when the bad ones come along selling bad products, providing services they are unqualified to do or are overcharging, friends should tell friends, PEOPLE NEED TO SPEAK UP!!!

Actually I hate constantly ranting about this same thing BUT NOBODY ELSE SAYS ANYTHING!!!

Please SPEAK UP and SAY SOMETHING, tell me the whys and how I am wrong, BASH ME , or REPOST this other places I refuse to go.

I have made my silent protest for several months by staying away from the old board but the more I hear, this has only served to let the voltures have easier prey. A newbie who happens upon the old pilot board is just another lamb being led to the slaughter. How do you guys live with yourselves?


Some place I saw that LieWire ( hoser marked L!vewire as a Bad Word lol so I have to change the spelling) is selling regular BR8ES NGK spark plugs for $3.95. I can only guess that this is how he prices all his sh!t.

Just in case anybody didn't know THIS IS A RIP OFF!!! Go to your local auto parts store and you can buy the same NGK Spark plugs for $1.79!!!! ($1.09 if you look for sale) this is probably where Steve gets his anyway... Why should the inoccents pay his morgage? Yeah, Hes a buddy. Not!! he is around to take advantage of those people less knowing, if this doesn't show you exactly what kind of guy he is, than I don't know what will. If you feel that this board or the Old Board is a group of your friends and if you don't say anything about this crap to YOUR friends, that makes YOU part of the problem too!!!!

SPEAK UP PEOPLE!!!!!

Don't let these bozos intimidate you, don't let the newbies (and the rest) be taken advantage of, stand up for what is RIGHT!

OVER 200% MARK UP??? too much!!! Steve could just say "go to Auto zone and grab them yourself and save a buck or two". A real buddy would just TELL you where to save a buck, Steve Bishop (Professional Liar) (aka LieWire) is his OWN real buddy and no one elses, the guys who deal with him are just victims of fraud and price gouging... He is only here to make a buck, GET IT? there are others out there too.

Please anybody feel welcome to email me or post here if you want to know what is a FAIR PRICE or to know the CHEAPEST place to get something. If I know I would be glad to pass the info along. HareScrambles@aol.com

How about a tie rod (sorry "Heavy Duty") set for $125.00 ???? Hoser has the hot tips that you can do on your own, on his site FOR FREE. ok, say you don't want to do it yourself, Dave Sifka (sp sorry) aka FL400Nut has chrome moly rods for $50. a set, i am sure the rod ends can't cost $75.00!!! More rip offs ala chucklenuts at aftershot motorspurts Motorsports.

I am not even going to get into details on his $200. port jobs and $80. bore jobs, these are plain and simple rip offs so DON'T get took. There are plenty of REAL motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) shops that would do the job better for less. Aftershit is a middleman and a wannabe AT BEST! Read some of Hoser's Tech articles, go to MacDizzy's pages and learn the whys and hows of a decent Engine porting, don't just take the lazy way out and let some idiot take your money. A fair price on a bore job is $40 - 60.( I wouldn't pay over $50. to fit a piston) , $200 for a port job is fair but only if it is being done by a REAL PRO, a guy who KNOWS what he is doing not some putz with a dremel or die grinder chunking meat out of your jug. Sure Steve is going to speak nice to you while you buy his junk but that does not make him a friend. If you ask the guys that really know about motors and such and have seen Steve stumble his way thru getting his "business" online , they would tell you he don't know his ass from a hole in the ground.



On to the POS bumpers and nerfs, Steve told me way back how his nerfs clamp are just like the honda line nerfs, NOT EVEN CLOSE , Aftershit nerfs barely even grab the roll cage bar before the two ends of the clamp touch each other, hondalines were NOTHING like this, honda's wrap almost all the way around the bar!!! I saw Odykid's on his Pilot (sorry Odykid) but they are a JOKE!!!
and his NEW improved bumper mounts? they are still total POS, one slight hit and it will bend, watch out for these guys they are scum of the worse kind!!!!



From what i have been told the old board has just become a place for Aftershit (aka Steve Bishop (Professional Liar)) (aka L!veWire) and his patner Jeff Davis (aka ATVNUT) (aka Rollin Friction) watch out for these guys. If someone seems like they are hiding something or won't openingly talk about the what wheres and hows of their products LOOK OUT!

Ludedude is a great example of a guy doing it right, he is not affraid to say what he is making, he is willing to take a normal mark up and be open about it. He rallies the crew and works his ass off to get a deal for the WHOLE group of us. He makes a mistake, he is honest and forthright about it. He has nothing to hide. I don't mind anybody making a profit but ripping people off is a different story. If People are not open about their costs, there is a reason. That reason is that they have something to hide. The something to hide is usually that they are making so much profit off of you they won't say. Who is going to hide that all they make is 20% off a deal? no honest businessman that's for sure.

I am sick and tired of seeing MY FRIENDS get ripped off!!! Most of these guys won't even stand up for themselves and say "Take this shit back" or pass on the REAL TRUTH so other guys don't get ripped off too.


While on a rant I guess i will keep going.

I believe KiowA has put a lot of his time and money to do the board but when were originally deciding the best thing to do, he offered saying he needed to beta test some software for work and that this would cost him nothing and it would HELP him work out the bugs on the software he was testing. Funny how things changed and HE became the one with liabilty and therefore HAD to make the TOUGH choices, ie boot Hoser off the board he kept going. If it was a REAL tough choice and he was truely threaten I think he would of just cut his losses and run, I know I would of. The only people I would put before you guys is my family. It was also funny how (behind the scenes) his story evolved to suit what him and his "like minded" group thought was best for the board. Pilotman tried his ass off to suit KiowA's demands but they became an impossibility to meet.

Sad to say but KiowA is a good example of what is wrong here. On another side of that same story, there was the fact of the "last email to hoser."

KiowA should have shared his opinions of Liewire's nerfs WITH THE GROUP, but in his LAST email to Hoser before shutting the board down (confirmed by both Hoser and Kiowa) KiowA said what is posted below. Keep in mind this was A MONTH BEFORE THE SHUTDOWN and sent ONLY to Hoser and Moskito. KiowA said he was constantly trying to get in touch with Hoser (KiowA's justification for removing Hoser's Board privledges) yeah right I guess one email in a month qualifies as constantly.

KiowA said in the email to Hoser (remember this is directly from KiowA's to hoser via email) the following ( I reposted this on KiowA's board when all this shit went down, this is the main reason my post got deleted, I reckond)

"After damaging my Pilot with his crappy nerfs, I am joining the bandwagon against his poorly designed and manufactured parts. I got nothing against the guy and he gave me the nerfs and rear bumper for free. They will not be on my pilot again.

I 'gently' brushed a tree with the right nerf, didn't even scrap the paint much...almost immediately my RPM shot up to ~5800. The bottom portion of the nerf pushed in on the rear U clamp, twisted it upwards and grabbed the throttle cable and pushed it along. My idle was now high enough to cause the clutch to be well engaged without my hands on the throttle. Thank god I was able to hold the brake while I hit the kill switch.

In case you are wondering, I do know the difference between a solid hit and a gentle brush. This was not much of a hit, more like a little dance through a tight spot at H-M. I was going slow and turning around a tree. The nerf didn't do a damn thing to protect the car in this case...it simple briefly delayed the force coming in from the side.

HELL!!! You would think if KiowA discover a possible leathal defect in one of LieWire's products he (or Liveswire) would WANT to inform the group RIGHT AWAY!!! God forbid someone get hurt! Nope this was hidden and covered up from the rest of the group. Again I feel this was the main reason my posts were permantly deleted but how am I to know. After this I left and didn't look back no way was some guy who was suppose to be a friend was going to delete my honest posts at his will.


NOW if YOU were hoser and recieved that email then without further contact (on board or otherwise) you had your privlegdes revoked, what would you be thinking right about now?

OMG!!!


I really am like most people, I really don't like to say bad things about other people but when there's a scam going down or I see someone being ripped off, I can't sit quiet.


PLEASE SOMEONE SPREAD THE WORD!!!!!


Whew! all this from a little positive feedback post about belts. Damn I can rant!

And for all of you who were lucky enough to get in on the killer "steal of a deal" from Lude on a new PowerBloc - don't forget to pick up a fresh new belt. You DO NOT want to risk damaging your new clutch with a crappy old worn-out belt.

And, for the record, I agree with Hare 100%.

Right on!

Well written and I get it what you have to say, it is too bad the newbies wont get
it until like a few I know that have parted with a few thousands dollars to find out the
guy they bought stuff from is a hack and that their only motive is
taking peoples money by selling look a like parts and fake services
it is amazing that in reality a few short years ago these people now selling
their inferior untested crapola then came looking for advice, remember
when they showed up on the old board asking dumb questions? Heck some
didn't even know what spark plug to put into their machines, how to adjust their
carb, clutch, brakes etc. BUT NOW they are building and selling parts and
spewing advice as if they are experts, I suppose there are a few fast
learners but I struggle to see in the real world what they have done to their
machines to improve them, what they have done leaves me less than
impressed with their abilities to apply the advice they spew so freely
and with so much authority.

I think it is great that people are trying to make parts to sell, I get real excited
when I see someone with something new for our machines, we need these guys
we are limited to the vendors still willing to make and sell parts for us it is just to
bad most seems to be such a half ass lame attempt driven by greed and preying
on the ignorant, guess all you and I can do now is set back and enjoy the show,
watch people flounder with their expert advice they applied to their machines
and others, I still and always will stand behind my machines performance and
reliabilty, I let my abilities speek for myself and for those that don't know this
is a hobbie I do this for fun I am a Sheet Metal Worker (HVAC) by trade not
a Pilot-Odyssey Yoda, God or expert....

People I can honestly send a new guy to for parts and services are listed below,
I am sure I am forgetting a few feel free to remind me who should be on the list.

Randy at Odyssey Salvage http://www.pilotodyssey.com/PO/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16721/
45th Parallel ATV Products http://www.45thparallel.net/
ATV Racing http://www.atvracing1.com/home.htm
Hill Side Honda 707-263-9000
Triple E----> 1-800-763-3762 http://www.expresspages.com/t/triplee/
Service Honda http://www.servicehonda.com/hard%20parts/hard_parts.htm
4x4 Tuff http://www.4x4tuff.com/
The Chassis Shop http://chassisshop.com/

well one stroke on teh keyboard and I just lost my reply.

Essentially : I was flagged with concern first with the lack of receipt for the purchase, secondly
from the response of my pic posts, and thirdly when I learned where to get some of these components and the unit costs.

And of course without instructions for the manufactured pieces errors can occur on mounting.....

I've learned a lot in the process and I ask more questions.

I have to thanks you guys that have helped and these guys that I've purchased a bunch of other stuff from.

LudeDude : Digatron with custom software
OdyKnuck: Seat cover, Wrist retraints, Oil fix kit, Shocks and a lot of private support via email
DodgeBoot: Honest sale and shipping of pieces parts
VfrPilot: For saving that frame for me until we can meet in Maryland.
The Breeze: Axles and tires
Vrroom: For the roof box. (I promise: this weekend I'm getting the Ody back for the season)

BTW: I really like the WCH and Comet 102c

I've been using stock Honda belts and they held up great. I've never shreaded any, just wore them out.

HARE.......whats the part# for those Gates belts, I need to order some and I will try those.

ALL the different part # for ALL the kinda of belts are listed on hoser page, I used the Gates belt for a Pilot, guys with 350 and 250 has belt # on there too.

Here is the link, good stuff

http://pilotodyssey.com/clutch.htm

Havent updated that page in a while so if someone has new info let me know I will add it...

WooHoo! Made the "A" list!

No seriously, it makes me feel real good to hear that from you guys. I received a lot of help from hoser and many other POOA members. When we were still altogether I donated when I could, but honestly not much. And I felt bad about that. I don't like receiving without giving. But I'm still not on par to give much in the way of technical advice, so I decided awhile ago to try to find a way to help out.

I looked at my accounting software before I left for work this morning…I’m $1400 in the red, just so you all know, I’m not getting rich :) I’m still in the red with Teamtech ($2800 buy-in..ouch!) and lost on the GPS deal. I make a little on rims, next to nothing on shocks, I will make out good on the clutch deal, Digatron gauges, make a little there too, Power pros…a little there too. I have to thank Pilotsniper and Hare for helping me out, which in turn helps you guys. Vic took the 1st order of rims and drop shipped them all for me, big cross border savings there. Since selling 48 rims that way, I’ve been able to get OMF to drop ship for me. Thanks Vic. Hare helped me get a few orders for shocks so I could get the minimum buy-in order with no out of pocket expense on my part. Thanks Hare. Nick too, helped out….I was struggling to get my last order of rims up to 20…Odykid wanted a set bad :) and he’s always in a hurry! Nick offered to buy a set to get to the 20 mark, he didn’t need them, he did it to help out. Red built me a set of +2 A-arms and we traded arms for clutches, we saved each other money. Vic was interested in a no rev CDI (Capacitor Discharge Ignition), but didn’t want down time…I had a spare, sent it to Bill to be modified, he sent it to Vic. Now Vic’s sending his in to Bill and I’ll get that one back. Vic lets me ship parts to his business and then he ships them to me for parts/businesses/people that won’t/can’t go direct to Canada. MassOdy’s helped me out with electronics and computer issues (as I know he’s done for many here as well), he offered me a place to stay over if I ever make the trek down for ECJ. And even offered his cabin (here in NS) for me to use. When I blew a CV last winter Moskito sent me a spare…free! When he needed a carb for the Frankensteer, I returned the favor.

Anyone that committed to the PB clutch deal by paying before hand got a price break. That helped me out with getting the cash to buy them. So you get about $40 better price than what I’ll be selling the extras for. (hope the money orders are post dated for a couple weeks ago hoser, Stoneman..hehe!…still want the second on Hare?)

Those are just some examples of help other than the technical pilot repair advice I’ve received from hoser and others.


This is what POOA should be about as Hare stated. People helping people. Find a deal pass it on. Want to make some money off it, cool, as long as it still cheaper than elsewhere you’re still saving me money.

Rant off!

I use Honda belts and have had great luck with them, I ride a whole lot, (er...before last year anyway!) And I have only gone through 2 belts, I'm on my third. I did always run a stock machine, except the power block, before last year but have only put about 6 to 8 hours on the Hoser modified Engine so we/I will see what holds for my future on belt wear!

Rant time!

If you build a off-road car make sure you use the right size tubing, do something about the vibration issues, make sure the gas tank doesn't leak and get a clue about clutches!

As far as this X-purt thing, Why would we ask or take jetting notes from a guy that hasn't had a running car for more than 30 mins since I have been around (over 4 yearsmight even be 5 now!) and blew everything up he touched? Why do we think he knows anything about suspensions since his cars never run And the only running car he had he had nothing to do with! Why would you want to be the guinee pig for a Gay-Fab head from the guy who burns holes in ALL his pistons and then doesn't have a clue to why?

Why would we want somebody building LT front pilot kits that kept his own pilot stiff as a one ton duelly, where did his X-purtease come from? Read a web page somewhere? Listened to the self-proclaimed "Shock Guru?" Had no clue that your shock should be set-up as soft as possible but able to take your biggest jump or hit! Soft is the key! My drak sits in about 6 to 8" when I'm in it, drives like a caddy on 3' whoops. Sit on the front end and it will almost bottom out, yep that soft. So why would I want a 1200lbs payload on my cars? Think about it! That's why I didn't buy!

How can a guy sell total shit for a bumper and nerf bars and then hid behind a computer screen and still try and pawn his crap to others? Always there to offer Afterthoughtmotorsports.com link to buy more shit from him? A guy who's starter fell off at the dunes is protecting your front, sides and rear! Think about it!

Why is it that a computer geek can turn on his friends and take away my and your home for many years and turn it into a pilot market place for untested EXPENSIVE crappy parts? He stole my home from my friend and now it is a tech free, censored, x-purt free money pit! I will never forgive him for what he has done to my friends and me!

Why is it we are so affraid to speak up about a problem? I have never been shy, I want you to know where you stand and I want to know where I stand. I would never point out a booger hanging out of your nose in public but I would tell you to your face if your screwing somebody!
I love this sport, I have sunk tons of money in it as all or most of you have but not at the cost of being burned left and right. Or have to look over my shoulder at every meet. I give everybody 100% trust from day one, when you loose it, it is gone forever. We all make mistakes, I know that but when we don't try to fix our mistakes or make them right, You and I have serious problems!
Everybody knows that when we get something new it could have faults, but that is where satisfation warranty falls into place. Make a POS bumper and it falls apart, replace it with a better one. Don't have a better one, give the money back. The buying of a bumper is not a Grant for you, if it sucks you have to give the money back, PERIOD! If L!vewire had done that he would be held in a much higher regard, anything would be a step up for him! I know the whole world revolves around money but while your here let that be the farthest from your head. Not one time have I been in the middle of a jump and thought, "I bet I could resell this old drive belt and ((Bad Word)) some newguy out of $20!" Come on, think about it. That's no fun! It's proven that good deeds make us feel better about ourselves.

If somebody had said at some time, "These Drakarts Vibrate like a SOB!" I may have thought twice about dumping way big money in one. Or if I had known, "Comet clutches suck!" or "Gas tank leaks and the car is a death trap!" or "Proper Frame welds are optional!" I might have not been the fall guy on this one. But I know issues can come up, I just wanted some help instead I got bashed, "For speaking up", I tell everybody so they don't have to follow in my footsteps. If you know, then speak up! Tell the facts so someother can make a educated buy instead of buying hype like many have done. You should except no more or less than what they promise!


I like that someone is thinking of building some Pilot/Odyssey stuff, as said before the excitment grows as it comes closer to reality but we also need some common sense builders out there.

On Hoser's list above, I have bought from eveyone but The Chassis shop and they have all been great to deal with, I had a couple problems but I believe they were isolated and that's life.


If it's not already obvious, Hoser is the ultimate Pilot guru, his dedication to helping other's is beyond compare. I have found a true friend and one hell of a mechanic. He sometimes comes off abrasive but he always means well, with the only goal being to get your car running and you to be riding. Think of how many times sombody asks you the same question and how it makes you feel, walk in his shoes, I'm sure you get the point. I admire the time, effort and dedication that he has put into this board to make sure that I always have a place to go for tech advice to get me back on the trail!


I'm sure there is much more rambling that I could do, but I'm have a hard time trying to stay PG-13.

Long live our sport, profit free!

i use simpson 6 point.......

LMAO

Since the Honda belt is on back order and maybe discontinued I thought I would resurrect this post all I have ever run are the stock belts what does everyone else use??????? do you like the Gates Trail runner, Carlisle, or 4X4 tuff belt? any info would be appreciated.

I don't have enough experience with the pilots yet, but the three we bought were still running their original Honda belts and they also have their original Honda spares.

I bought four Gates trailrunner belts after we got them for spares and have picked up two Honda belts on eBay for 8 bux apiece (were mixed in with some surplus lawnmower belts).

On the 250's the Honda belts were always the longest lasting, but 250 belts could last for years even under severe use.