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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:31 am 
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Now looking at the pics I posted I really see how bad the pucks are marked up. I is obvious to me that rocks got in there as well.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:32 am 
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Spring is to short


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:33 am 
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it is 1/2" short


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:40 am 
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wyeeoddy wrote:
it is 1/2" short


OK I will stretch it :-)


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:40 am 
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Are you using the short bolt to pull it apart

screw bolt in Tap with brass hammer undo a little and repeat till it pops off

or are you attacking with Tyre irons or screw drivers .

As that damages the cover and the moveable face edges

That Spring is a starting point

yeoddy


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:41 am 
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Buy a new Spring

spring has lost is mo jo


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:42 am 
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wyeeoddy wrote:
Are you using the short bolt to pull it apart

screw bolt in Tap with brass hammer undo a little and repeat till it pops off

or are you attacking with Tyre irons or screw drivers .

As that damages the cover and the moveable face edges

That Spring is a starting point

yeoddy


LOL no I am not that much of a Neanderthal, I am using the bolt.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:43 am 
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Ok just checking


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:43 am 
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wyeeoddy wrote:
Buy a new Spring

spring has lost is mo jo


What do you think about the warpage on the cover ??


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:52 am 
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I will check my spare later or tomorrow and will post
I don't think it is a big problem

Get a NEW spring sorted as it is Fatigued

As Baz suggested Weigh pucks

But then again there shot Buy new ones

and start again

yeoddy


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:37 am 
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That cover is Shizanhousen!!!
It's only good enough now for you to wear as protection/hat from alien brainrays!
The pucks are housen as well,damaged means diff weight as well,especially if 2 are diff #'s??
THEY ALL NEED TO BE WEIGHED.It'll be needed for this bastard CSI of yours! :-)

You say you still wanna install it back? WTF?
It'll be outa balance,deformed cover + wrong spring,=MORE balance issues,vibes= Bye Bye Crank and bearings.
You need to donate some $$$ to hoser's site co$t$,as your impending pics will keep us and the site busy for years...no decades! :-)


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:46 am 
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canadian oddy wrote:
Now looking at the pics I posted I really see how bad the pucks are marked up. I is obvious to me that rocks got in there as well.


Sounds like your getting closer to your root cause of your clutch problems is it possible that a rock managed to get inside the clutch (golden BB thing ) jammed it up long enough where the contact between the pucks and where they slide went slack and allowed the pucks to rotate, fall out jam up etc. ?

Better belt guard required?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:22 am 
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bugeye59 wrote:
That cover is Shizanhousen!!!
It's only good enough now for you to wear as protection/hat from alien brainrays!
The pucks are housen as well,damaged means diff weight as well,especially if 2 are diff #'s??
THEY ALL NEED TO BE WEIGHED.It'll be needed for this bastard CSI of yours! :-)

You say you still wanna install it back? WTF?
It'll be outa balance,deformed cover + wrong spring,=MORE balance issues,vibes= Bye Bye Crank and bearings.
You need to donate some $$$ to hoser's site co$t$,as your impending pics will keep us and the site busy for years...no decades! :-)


LMFAO.
You haven't seen shizanhousen yet LOL.
Didn't know you were a square head like me.
Hoser: belt guard ---- na to much weight and might protect things so they won't break.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:25 am 
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I wonder if this clutch is up to the task being asked of it?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:08 am 
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Me squarehead?...Nein!!!
I just remember all the important stuff at the time from my green years at school,and my youth. :-)


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 Post subject: Re: Clutch explosion
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:46 am 
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bugeye59 wrote:
Have you checked to see IF your puck #'s are all the same?
IF one is out,then it will be outa balance and affect the puck throw/movement.
You NEED to get a digi scale to weigh your pucks,it's the ONLY way to verify their weights.EVEN if new.
A small amount in weight diff,will be expotential relative to clutch RPM's.
Especially as now you have damaged them.
I have a small digi sacle,weight all my flyweights in the sledPilots,I have seen diffs in them up to .5g.

Did you mark your holding bolt head to cover with sharpie,to show any bolt loosening?
After initial bolt torqueing,do you RETORQUE after a settling-in ride?


Just an update on this issue.
I slammed it all together as is and we went for a ride today. I welded up the rod end (we are still waiting for the replacements) and off we went. Thanks for the mark the cover and bolt with a sharpie idea. As it turns out the bolt did turn about 1/4 turn today. So I wonder if that's what happened the first time when the pucks rolled over ??
Off to the states tomorrow morning to pick up a parts machine.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:16 am 
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Are you torqueing the bolt ?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:16 am 
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bullnerd wrote:
Are you torqueing the bolt ?


A torque wrench is a 1/2" impact set on maximum.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:22 am 
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Is that from the Honda manual? :-)


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:11 am 
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Canucky,do some web research on drive clutch installing,especially on sleds.
LOTS of warnings against using impact drivers on drive clutches.
BUT.....................YOU being a GAMBLING MAN...


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:49 pm 
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bugeye59 wrote:
Canucky,do some web research on drive clutch installing,especially on sleds.
LOTS of warnings against using impact drivers on drive clutches.
BUT.....................YOU being a GAMBLING MAN...


If you pull the threads out of the crank no biggey. Drill it out and put in an insert.
If you pull the threads out of the crank with an impact then it's because you got stupid on the trigger and held it there for an hour. It takes a little bit of smarts sometimes. I won't say that it wouldn't happen to me but people got us some brains because it is a fine thread bolt.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:05 pm 
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I'm not talking about the threads,but end impact on the crank.
You seem to have all your own answers anyway.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:35 pm 
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bugeye59 wrote:
I'm not talking about the threads,but end impact on the crank.
You seem to have all your own answers anyway.


LOL, yeah I am a stubborn one. It's all that square head in me. Can't help it, it's genetic.


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Might be worth a try torqueing it to the Honda specs with a real torque wrench.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:18 am 
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bullnerd wrote:
Might be worth a try torqueing it to the Honda specs with a real torque wrench.


Yeah I am gona do that this time since it is obvious my Neanderthal way didn't work. I was in a hurry to go riding because the weather was good and my brother and I had the same time off together.
Gona torque it (not with the 1/2" impact torque wrench) and put some blue Loctite on it. You do desperate things when you are time restricted LOL.


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