Hellow gang,

I am curious to what my fellow Fl350 riders out there with comet 102c's are using as their setup.... I am using a Comet 102c with a Pink spring and I am using Randy's "Odyssey Salvage" White spring in the Driven. I am not sure on my Cam arms but I will be changing them to the N-1 Pt "209642A1" as I believe there is a different cam arm on the odyssey at this time. I generaly do not hit the sand due to my location, but I do ride alot of rocky trails that are high speed.



So for those out there that are using the White DRIVEN spring- What color spring are you using in your 102c then????


I do have a few springs to work with - Red/Blue spring, Purple Spring, I do have a Heel Clicker Setup that is not installed since one of the shoulders on one of the arms desided to crap out on me even though I ensured proper clearance and tolerance...The Heel clicker ket came with a bunch of weighted nuts and screws that have allen wrench heads that do not like to be removed to try different weight setups---They are way soft and do not fare to multiple trials..... The kit also came with a huge Gold and a Huge Black spring..

Does anyone like the White driven spring from Randy??? -- Feedback


My Current Mods:
82mm - single head gasket with 124-126 lbs compression
Bottom end was in tolerance per manual specs
102c drive with pink spring * going to put new set of N- arms in with Red/Blue spring
Driven is currently using the White spring from Randy
Boyson reeds * about to do the Delta V Force II setup
Intake spacer
38MM Mikuni Flat side carb
EEE or power Bros pipe from Randy with short silencer
Still air cooled * About to try to find a used water cooled setup - Let me know if one of you are selling one please
Digitron
Works on all four corners * The front shocks are for sale by the way :)
K&N with pre filter* I know I know- I am thinking of changing for sure- But I do clean and oil it for each ride* No sand here
My cylinder is ported * looks to have been done rather extensive.
all oil holes have been drilled and bridge has been relieved
Turning 24 inch ITP mud lites
Aluminum wheels all around


Thank you all for your input! :)

I have used the 102c on my rides and switched to a 94c it met my terrian and riding trails better.Have you experimented with one by chance?
Your ride sounds sweet, got any pictures by chance?I used the white spring but didnt like the engagement rpm on it.

The pink spring is a "race" spring. Unless your motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) has been ported for power only at high rpm,s you are probably losing useable power. Have you tried it with the stock yellow spring?

Thanks for the info. motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) has been ported. I do not have a yellow spring for it Randy didnt sell any of the yellow :( I was told that pink was a pretty weak spring. I do not think i would want anything that engaged lower than 4k

Thanks for thi info lutrev! What about your Driven? Do you use the stock or the white spring?

What do you mean by "snakey" ?

Thanks Mudbogger! . I have not tried the 94c as I was advised that since I am trying to go extreme for mods that I need more adjustability for the clutch. What did the White driven spring do to your engagement? can you elaborate?

Thank you again

My favorite "power" 102C setup is the purple round spring (same as old yellow square) with N-1 arms. Be sure to clean and lube the clutch regularly. I also have heel clickers but they do not work with the dust shields/covers I use. In a heavily modded 350, I do like the white driven spring for quicker up-shifting. With all the upgrades, a liq cooling system is going to be needed for long term reliability.

Gary




Here is my basic run down on 350 upgrades vs stock stuff cut from previous posts...still have questions, just ask and we'll try to clarify.

Ok, I will chime in and give my 2 cents worth. I have over 16 years of experience messing with the 350s and have have found out (mostly the hard way) what works well for my riding style. I am on a tight military budget so most parts I use are either fabbed or bought used from Ebay. Not everyone will agree on the best mods, or good mods so use whatever you like. These are my personal suggestions and opinions. Nows that's a disclaimer! LOL

1. Air Box Mods... The factory airbox, snorkel and tail light box. Great for keeping out dirt, mud, rain ect., but extremely air flow restrictive especially in hopped up machines where you need increased air flow. There are alot of posted pictures of snorkel mods, each a little different and all fix the restrictive problem. Probably best bang for the $15 spent! Avoid any type of "Ram Air" or scoop mod, the air being forced into system will make jetting a nightmare. The Engine WILL pull what it needs with the fore mentioned snorkel mod.

2. Air Filters. Hot debate topic with different views, all require proper oiling and regular cleanings, especially in a dusty environments. A pair of oiled K&N filters with prechargers on a dual snorkel mod with the dual layered oiled foam filter in the box is the best/safest filtering that can be done with excellent air flow, in my opinion.

Factory foam filter(In box) --probably the best filtering but most restrictive because its a very dense type of foam filter over a metal screen cage inside.
Dual stage, Uni foam filters--most commonly used, great flow and good filtration.
K&N filters-- most air flow but least filtering even with the optional outer precharger covers. most expensive also.

pod filters(No box)--again, debatable, you may lose power by removing the box because of the two stroke pulsewave/resonance, loosing the box makes access to the carb much easier, the filter is exposed the elements and needs to be covered when not in use, generally does not like water covered trails!

3. Carbs--again 32mm(stock)is too small for hopped up engines but fine for stockers. If you want your Engine for torque(hard launches, steep climbing, ect) stay small 34-36MM, if you want your Engine to rev high and really pull on top end, ie duning, go big 38MM-41MM. Of course you will want your port job, larger or smaller carb, reeds, stuffer or no stuffer, and your exhaust pipe to all be matched to the setup you want to run...high rev or torque.

The more modern flat slide type carbs (PJ, PWK, quadvent(Airstryker), TMX(Mikuni),etc, give a better throttle response than the stock type round slide carbs(PE). I prefer Keihin over Mikuni,mainly because the 350 choke and throttle cables hook up without having to buy adaptors or new cables...and I am used to the jet size numbers.

4. Exhaust pipes-- Stock works well and is the quietest but is restrictive when hopped up. DG, PowerPros and Bills are some that I have tried, and all give good gains. The DG silencer(or lack there of) is horribly loud and has to be swapped out ASAP, generally with a long FMF large CC 2 stroke quad/bike silencer. Turbine 2 cores are a popular choice. Again, some have been tuned/designed for rev or torque.

5. Reeds--Stock are steel and very trust worthy but restrictive on built engines. Boysene makes replacement fiberglass reed pedals for the stock cage in either rev or torque pretty cheap. Also most 250R, CR250, TRX250, ATC250R and pilot reed cages will fit in the 350. I personally prefer the 4 pedal cages(best flow). I also have used a straightened neck boysene Rad Valve, G-3(Mossbarger 8 petal), ESR, Boysene fiberglass on stock cage, and Delta V Force reeds, all with increased power and throttle response over stockers. There has been some verified cases of the V force cage getting sucked into the engines. I don't recall if they were version 1,2, or 3. I have used the 2nd version for years with no problems, yet. Knock on wood. Reeds do not generally make huge power differences, just smooth out a power band, IMHO.

6. Clutches--Again another topic of debate, all require proper cleaning and lube occasionally for proper operation and long clutch life
--- Salisburys (stock) good ol reliable but a lower engagement bogs the Engine for racing but perfect for kids or general puttering around.
---94C-great all round clutch, draw backs are its not easily tunable, but parts can be changed. Most popular swap if you just want to replace the stock unit.
---102C- great for racing because you can adjust engagement and different areas of the powerband by changing springs or cam arms. Draw backs-expensive, without the dustcover can wear parts quickly.
---HRD & Alt--good simple design clutch(very similar to the 94C) except you can adjust puck weights for tuning easier, priced between the 102 and 94. Drawbacks tends to tear up the "D" slot on the cover and possibly has ties to Pilot main bearing failures, none know damage on 350s yet.

7. Porting-- The heart and sole of the Engine, can be mild to full race(wild). If not done correctly, you can ruin an Engine. It needs to be done by a knowledgeable person, not a shade tree(like me). You can take a dremel and clean up casting flaws and other imperfections inside the jug, polish up the exhaust port and make better flow thru the Engine(better power) but avoid changing the size and shape of the openings. That is the timing and could spell disaster if you do it wrong. There are a lot of articles written on porting work so if you want to do it, better do the homework...or send to a reputable place such as EEE and not a shady type lurking about(no names, just ask).

8. The little tricks-- here are just a few I use.
--- The stock head gasket is actually three layers. I use only 1 which bumps up the compression some.
---Always use a quality synthetic oil at 40 or 32:1 with fresh premium gas.
--- Run a liq cooled head and radiator to help control heat especially with a built up Engine.
--- I use an EGT and a water temp gauge to help monitor things.
---Run .190 aluminum rims and lighter weight tires if not in rough/rocky areas, less kinetic mass which allows more power to reach the ground.
---Putting you rubber manifolds and curved air box to carb rubber boot in boiling water for a short period will aid in attaching them to a larger carb.
---When your cylinder needs the next bore, go to the next size up, do not jump straight to the max bore(82MM). 2 strokes need flow to make big power. Power increase from 78.5MM to 82MM would be very minimal and when that bore is done, you will need to replace the sleeve(expensive).
---Be sure to have the exhaust bridge relieved and cooling holes drilled on the piston during rebuild time. Don't forget to smooth out all ports and transfers edges after a bore job. Hoser(website owner) will bore your cylinder for free, doesn't get any better than that! Huge "Thank You" for helping out the board members and keeping these great machines alive and kicking.
---Do a leakdown test at least annually or after a long vacation of riding. That should catch seals going bad before your Engine leans out and seizes.
---early CR250 Mossbarger/Elsinore bikes(78/79) used a straight intake manifold and works well for increased flow and larger carbs.
---I do a compression check after every trip and keep it in a log so I know approximate hrs and notice changes in compression(long term ring/cylinder wear)
---If rebuilding with a Honda(Art) piston (78.5-79.5), bore .003, if rebuilding with a Wiesco piston(80-82mm), bore .004-.005 with liq cooling and .005 air cooling. That is due to piston material content and the Wiesco expand more, not the .003 they claim. Trust me, been there done that too many times. Wiesco also claims you should replace the piston after every 20 hrs of run time, or some crummy disclaimer crap like that. They are not bad pistons when run properly.

There is a good start of info to absorb and I am sure other will add to the list too. I am sure I have forgot things too. Good luck,
Gary

Thanls Nuke EM!

Anyone else using the White DRIVEN spring- What color spring are you using in your 102c then????

I bought a tranny on ebay a few years ago and it came with a clutch and disc... one had what might have been a white spring and the first one was all rusted so no telling... I swapped them awhile back because of a dented face... I couldn't tell the difference! I hope that helps...

Did you get my text earlier today???

No one else uses a 102c setup...........Or has changed the sping in the driven clutch??????? :) Don't be shy....

Thanks again to everyone for the great info you have shared.

I have a 108 EXP on mine (that still needs some improvements but setup is ok) with silver spring and f-2 arms, also have the stock N-1's but didn't tried them yet.

wow, what happened to the front. lol i am 6 foot seven myself and wanted to cut the front top torrsion tube as well. just gotta reinforce the frame like you did. thanx for postin the pix.

No Prob... It works very well for me, plus If I hit anything....It is as good as road kill !!!!!lol What kind of clutch setup are you running?