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 Post subject: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:05 pm 
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Any suggestions on straightening fl400 frame. Son slid into tree front end shoved over too far. See pic. Looks to be out 1 to 11/4 inches.


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:17 pm 
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Those pictures are completely useless.
If you bent the frame your in trouble. These frames are very well built even though the tubing is only 1/16".
When I crashed my oddy and broke my back I bent the frame. Took it to work and mounted it to a 1" thick metal welding table. Used two 1 1/2 ton come a longs and a 10' piece of heavy wall pipe. Never did get my frame completely straight.
When my brother crashed his machine and smashed the right front corner in, I actually had to cut the frame apart and re-weld. There is a thread here on it.
It's gona be a tough job but don't condemn it yet. Make sure it is bent. Use some plumb bobs to verify.
Better pics please.


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:36 pm 
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Looks like four long tubes two up each side of seat are shoved at front. No camber caster problems just front pushed straight over. Here is a better pictures. Think the front just got shoved staight over. Was planning on using come along just trying to figure out how to ancher rear of frame.


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:31 pm 
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Just made another fresh bowl of popcorn.
The other movie burned the film and we're waiting for the camera technician.
Keep us posted.


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:33 pm 
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What angle did it impact the Pilot from and where exactly did it impact?


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:56 pm 
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Hers a pic from the bottom. Maybe will show the problem. Gonna take plastics off tommorow. Pretty much straight impact on front wheel from side no bent a arms just looks like front shoved over. Told him to slow down on tight trails. Can't get good pics. When standing at front right tire flush with rear looking at machine. Left side not flush sitting in approximately 2"


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:53 pm 
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This is my definition of "not flush" -- viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15102&hilit=fl350+front+end+damage+repair


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
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Man I'm not sure I could ever ride again if I flipped 3 times...


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:40 pm 
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40 years in the auto body business tells me that you need to strip the plastics and measure. Best way to see if it's out of square is to cross measure from like points on each side. I'd say it's quite likely that you will need to get a body shop to do the work if it's truly shoved that far over. The issue is going to be holding the part of the chassis that isn't bent and then moving the portion that is bent back to where it needs to be. Doubtful that you are going to accomplish that without some professional help. Given the fact that it hit the wheel, the suspension and suspension mounting points need to be meticulously measured and corrected to perfectly square or it's never going to drive worth a darn.


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
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40 years in the auto body business tells me that you need to strip the plastics and measure. Best way to see if it's out of square is to cross measure from like points on each side. I'd say it's quite likely that you will need to get a body shop to do the work if it's truly shoved that far over. The issue is going to be holding the part of the chassis that isn't bent and then moving the portion that is bent back to where it needs to be. Doubtful that you are going to accomplish that without some professional help. Given the fact that it hit the wheel, the suspension and suspension mounting points need to be meticulously measured and corrected to perfectly square or it's never going to drive worth a darn.


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:13 pm 
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Ok most of plastic off few more pictures. See how right side sticks out less than left on upper frame bar beside seat . Also notice front wheels look shoved over. One picture shows lower frame bar beside seat looks bent to left slightly.


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:52 pm 
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No offence but those pictures of that chassis mean nothing.
Like TerryH said: you need to cross measure.
I agree.
You need to drop some plumbobs off each axel at the wheel and cross measure.
If it's out over an inch then I wana see it on paper. That machine is not showing any signs of an impact that hard. I know how hard you gota hit to move these chassis. Right now I call bulshyt.

Edit: Make sure the front wheels are straight when you drop the front plumbobs. Jack the machine up on stands. Pull the wheels. Measure front wheels to the frame to make sure straight. Drop plumbobs. Make a mark on the floor with soapstone. Measure. Show me.


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:16 pm 
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Couple pics to show it. Gonna make room in shop and use plumb bob. These pictures show problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:20 pm 
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Couple pics to show it. Gonna make room in shop and use plumb bob. These pictures show problem.Notice where inside edge of aluminum piece meets front tire.


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:33 pm 
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I am still not convinced.
If the toe setting on the rear wheels is out then it will look just like you got there.

Also the left rear hub appears to have more camber than the right.
Left more droop than the right ??


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:36 pm 
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Pilots don't have anyway to adjust to setting on rear wheels suspension arms all straight not bent.


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:38 pm 
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ridgerun wrote:
Pilots don't have anyway to adjust to setting on rear wheels suspension arms all straight not bent.


Well that's what it looks like from here.
You got a better view than us I guess.
It just looks "off" on the hubs to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:11 pm 
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I think it may have been off some when I bought it years ago front end always looked a little to one side guess him hitting tree pushed it over farther. I think front needs to come over 11/2 inches gonna call some frame shops just to see if they can do and the expense.


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
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Probably why I got it so cheap! Lol


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:25 pm 
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Do the plumb bob thing anyways. I wana know if my old eyes are off. It would be interesting to know.


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:55 pm 
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Ok took all plasic off wheels off. Dropped plumb bob off center of each axle. Cross measured. 79 1/4 one way see pics. 78 1/2 other way definitely out..


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:06 pm 
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Well I gota say that 3/4" out of square is NOTHING.
That little bit could be worn bushings or a tweeked A arm.
Just my opinion.
CO

Edit: NO FN way is that gona make any real or imagined difference. Try running some of my crash repaired crap. I don't use a tape and plumb bobs anymore LOL. I knew your "eyeballing" was bulshyte because that's what happens to me when I look at my machines. The human eye is no good at "seeing" distance and angle accurately. That's why the military and hunters use range finders. Go outside and guess the distance to the nearest telephone pole or the height of a tree outside your house. Now shoot it with a range finder. Your not even close pal.


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:01 pm 
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Put a 1/2" spacer behind the front right wheel and don't let your son drive into a tree again.


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:27 pm 
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Going to frame shop tommorow. Family friend came by works there said front end pushed over needs to come back 11/4 according to measurements. He said 55$ he on frame machine. Gotta get estimates on time.


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 Post subject: Re: Frame straightening
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:29 pm 
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Took pilot to shop they estimate 3-4 hours. They took measurements said rear shoved to left 1/4 inch and front shoved to left 1 1/4 inches. They said to strip to bare frame for them to straighten. Gonna purchase another frame to swap everything to it get this one straight and build another buggy hopefully!


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