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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:04 pm 
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thanks hoser. Ive got a question maybe you can answer.

What bits am i going to want to purchase in order to port match my Seadoo intake to my Skidoo Engine? you can see in the picture below i kinda half-assed sharpied where the skidoo Engine had a larger intake port than the seadoo. I could leave it but i feel that it would be much more efficient to make the ports on each part line up. Am i correct? ANd do you use a dremel for most of your port work? or an air grinder? Im not looking to change the porting on the Engine at all, just hoping to match the intake and case up just a little better.



I don't see the pics with the miss matched porting can you post them?



DOH! i forgot to attach the picture.. haha!


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:56 pm 
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Hoser, did you get a chance to check out the porting pictures?




And to contunue with updates, i finally got the pipe that i am going to be using. Its from a 03 Arctic Cat F7. Its about the same size as the stock pipe, just slightly different in the way that it routes. My plan is to cut it apart at the 2 arrow. Make the 90* turn to the muffler face the opposite way, and then make the lower part route more like a stock pipe. And then if needed, i am going to cut it at the line and strech the angle there slightly while trying to keep the size of the pipe the best i can.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:46 pm 
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Nitro,

Definately the best pipe I found to work with, already has the tight bends needed.

A few suggestions if I may:
1. Keep the F7 attachment point to the Y pipe, those graphite donuts work really well. Just take a tube the inside diameter of the donut and weld that on the Y pipe end. The donut also allows for more misalignment than the old Skidoo pipe. I took two hole saws to make the flat backing plate needed for the donut. Cut half way through with the small hole saw, switch to the large and cut through, then finish off the small hole while holding with vice grips.
2. I cut a small pie shape out of the Y and welded it to the other side to start the curve at the pipe, also at the exhaust flanges cut Pie shapes out to keep closer to the Engine. Pie slivers keeps the length the same.
3. Take length measurements of the stock pipe and make this pipe match. You don't want the exhaust wave back to the Engine to be early (shorter pipe distance) or late (longer pipe distance). Measure both of the welded seams of the two pipes divide by two and make them match - either add or subtract to the F7 pipe to match your stock pipe. I also measured circumfrance at one inch intervals and made the pipes match. I would think the 670 pipe is fatter than the F7 pipe as it is a rotary valve Engine, match if you can but I think it is a secondary concideration to the length.
4. Keep stinger the same size as stock (end opening) If too small then it will build too much heat in the motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )), two large then not enough back pressure.

While cutting the pipe you won't get a perfect fit, don't worry, sand down to get best fit and don't feel bad with gaps, transfer gap to paper for a pattern then fill with steel. If gap is too small make it bigger, and fill with bigger patch. On my second pipe I tried to cut too perfect and after sanding I ended up with a 1" too short pipe. I wraped my final pipe so no-one but me (and now anyone reading) will know. :shock:

Good luck,

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:35 am 
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Akpilot wrote:
Nitro,

Definately the best pipe I found to work with, already has the tight bends needed.

A few suggestions if I may:
1. Keep the F7 attachment point to the Y pipe, those graphite donuts work really well. Just take a tube the inside diameter of the donut and weld that on the Y pipe end. The donut also allows for more misalignment than the old Skidoo pipe. I took two hole saws to make the flat backing plate needed for the donut. Cut half way through with the small hole saw, switch to the large and cut through, then finish off the small hole while holding with vice grips.
2. I cut a small pie shape out of the Y and welded it to the other side to start the curve at the pipe, also at the exhaust flanges cut Pie shapes out to keep closer to the Engine. Pie slivers keeps the length the same.
3. Take length measurements of the stock pipe and make this pipe match. You don't want the exhaust wave back to the Engine to be early (shorter pipe distance) or late (longer pipe distance). Measure both of the welded seams of the two pipes divide by two and make them match - either add or subtract to the F7 pipe to match your stock pipe. I also measured circumfrance at one inch intervals and made the pipes match. I would think the 670 pipe is fatter than the F7 pipe as it is a rotary valve Engine, match if you can but I think it is a secondary concideration to the length.
4. Keep stinger the same size as stock (end opening) If too small then it will build too much heat in the motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) ((starter motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) or a fan motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? ))?)), two large then not enough back pressure.

While cutting the pipe you won't get a perfect fit, don't worry, sand down to get best fit and don't feel bad with gaps, transfer gap to paper for a pattern then fill with steel. If gap is too small make it bigger, and fill with bigger patch. On my second pipe I tried to cut too perfect and after sanding I ended up with a 1" too short pipe. I wraped my final pipe so no-one but me (and now anyone reading) will know. :shock:

Good luck,

Apilot


Thanks ak! I will keep all that in mind when i start fabbing the pipe. Right now i am working on mounting the radiator, and some of the dash wiring.



On that note, i have a question regarding the dash wiring. Studing the wire diagram from the pilot, there is a black with white stripe wire that runs from the CDI (Capacitor Discharge Ignition) to both the starter switch and kill switch. and then there is a black with brown stripe wire that runs from the ignition to the kill swtich. My question is, how do i make the starter switch work as well as the killswitch? do i just change it so the black/white stripe wire that is on one side of the start switch has the switched 12v power with the other side of it running to the starter solenoid. and then would i eliminate the black/brown stripe wire that runs from the ignition switch to the kill switch and just make the black/white wire that runs from the CDI (Capacitor Discharge Ignition) attach to both the ignition and the killswitch?


And last, what is the correct size battery to put in the pilot? I stole the utx12-bs outta my FL350 to do some testing of my wiring but it doesnt seem to be the correct size. Likes its too short? i looked through the manual but couldnt ifnd the correct number. maybe i jhust missed somthing.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:38 pm 
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ANybody have any ideas on the questions in my last post?



And i got somthing else done this weekend. Mounted the Radiator, well at least the bottom mount. Waiting on parts to get the top mounted. I really like this radiator!


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:20 am 
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I would of mounted it up higher and from the roll cage. Its going to make working on the Engine more of a bitch now.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:26 pm 
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it shouldn't be too bad. if anything major needs to be done 4 bolts and the Engine pulls right out


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:27 am 
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i got my custom motion pro throttle cable ordered, 4 gallon 8x20 spun aluminum tank, and the remaining Engine parts on the way. she gets expensive fast!

i also am thinking about adding in a 12v auxillary port for charging the gopro, or my phone on long rides. any reason why i shouldn't? found one for a marine application so it ia rubber sealed and waterproof.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:11 pm 
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Hey nitro , was wondering if you thought of a way to fix the crunched frame?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:28 pm 
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NOt quite yet. Been working on my radiator and my fuel tank. Still havent ordered the tubing yet. Maybe will in the next week or so.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:25 am 
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Great thread. Keep it up. I loved your 57 swap thread.

Where did you get your sea doo carbs

I can't wait to see this up and running.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:28 pm 
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bdover9876 wrote:
Great thread. Keep it up. I loved your 57 swap thread.

Where did you get your sea doo carbs

I can't wait to see this up and running.

bdover9876





thanks. still am riding the 570 all the time. its been so reliable that its almoat as if honda made it that way.

i got my seadoo carbs on ebay. they are mikuni bn38 carbs. i picked the whole intake and carb setup up for about 50 bux.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:22 pm 
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Thanks, ill keep my eye out for some. i like that idea of the sea doo carbs. please take pictures when you get the installed. id like to see that

Hoser, i remember you saying you used the same set up. im sure you have pictures of you rset up. i would be interested to see that, and how the throttle cable connects. and how the carbs connect to the Engine.

thanks guys.

Nitro, keep up the good work.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:26 am 
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Got my front wheels/tires today. Back tires should ship soon, only had 1 tire in stock so they are holding both of them until it gets there.. bummer!

Also installed both grip warmers and thumb warmers for the rides that are a bit cold. definately looking forward to those! Will make winter riding much more enjoyable.

Fuel tank will be here tomarrow. Hopefully get that mounted Sunday. Ordered some metal to fix the frame front and rear. almost done. not much stuff left to do. as soon as i fix the frame, and mount both the fuel and oil tank i am going to get the frame sandblasted and powder coated. awesome!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:35 pm 
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Made mounts for my CDI (Capacitor Discharge Ignition), fan controller, and coil.

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also started cutting the rear of my frame to replace the bent bars. Boy its hard to start cutting apart a frame

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Here i carefully cut the welds with a cut off wheel to remove this guard. I am going to weld it back onto the new bars

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:49 pm 
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Nice work and great thread, keep up the great work!!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:07 pm 
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Will you be able to just weld in a new tube there or will you have to reinforce it there somehow. That was where I€ wasn't sure how to fix mine.


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davidafco wrote:
Will you be able to just weld in a new tube there or will you have to reinforce it there somehow. That was where I€ wasn't sure how to fix mine.



the plan is to chamfer the edges of the 2 pieces of tubing and weld them in. I would assume it should be plenty strong as long as i have good welds. I also thought about making a sleeve that fit snug inside of the pipe. that way would make it just as strong or stronger than the original.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:59 pm 
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I was thinking of a sleeve also. I wouldn't trust my butt welding,, lol


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:40 pm 
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I was thinking of a sleeve also. I wouldn't trust my butt welding,, lol



I will let you know how it goes. Tubing should be in tomorrow, and then i am going to take the peices to the local muffler shop to see if maybe they can bend them to match the old ones.


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what kind of fan is that your running on the rad and where did the shroud for it come from..looks good but i don't know if its a good idea to have the whole back covered like that, with only a opening where the fan is, i think i would be better to get rid of the shroud and just mount the fan on the rad


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:09 am 
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It will pull alot more air with the shroud than without.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:23 am 
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what kind of fan is that your running on the rad and where did the shroud for it come from..looks good but i don't know if its a good idea to have the whole back covered like that, with only a opening where the fan is, i think i would be better to get rid of the shroud and just mount the fan on the rad



The radiator is an aftermarket Honda Civic radiator. The shroud is custom made. There is a guy on minibuggy that sells the shroud/fan and rubber gromets to mount the rad. As it is, i think this radiator is much larger than the Engine actually needs. I don't think the shroud will hurt the airflow at all, it will just direct it through the fan, and then once the fan does kick on it will pull air throiugh the entire rad instead of just a round spot.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:12 pm 
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I picked this up the other day on ebay. a Proto-Glas roof pannel. Only downside is that it was involved in a roll over. it isnt broken up too bad. How should i go about fixing this? I have never worked with fiberglass before. Also, what is it painted with? is that stuff still availible? The thing isnt really broken its more just the paint has chipped off.


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Nice score on the roof storage...
I have no idea how to fix glass though...


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