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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:45 pm 
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Hoser I hope you are lucky enough to find a kit still made in the USA. I was not able to the last time I looked here in our store.


How do you tell I opened up a 200 pc set they had on sale for 99 bux it does not say on the tools or the package...

I asked the store owner he said he was not sure but said "still has lifetime guarantee" I laughed and told him so does all them tools harbor freight sells for 1/2 the price of craftsman I will go buy from them if they are all coming from china, he had a dumber than normal look on his face when I left lol.

Every single socket that was made in the USA was marked. If just says craftsman and the part number then it is guarantied china crap.


Ok thanks I will look next time, I assume this applies to all their hand tools, wrenches, screwdrivers etc. ?


Yes it is on all of the tools. As for the craftsman china Philips head screw drivers my wife and I bring in a drywall screw and go through all of them just to find one that fits in the slot the best. I have pretty much given up using those now and just use a magnetic one that lets me change the bits and I go to Home Depot and buy the Stanley or De Walt brand bits. This is the only way I have found to not strip out the small screws like the ones on the carburetor float bowl on the Pilot.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:40 am 
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MAS Racing wrote:
hoser wrote:
MAS Racing wrote:
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Hoser I hope you are lucky enough to find a kit still made in the USA. I was not able to the last time I looked here in our store.


How do you tell I opened up a 200 pc set they had on sale for 99 bux it does not say on the tools or the package...

I asked the store owner he said he was not sure but said "still has lifetime guarantee" I laughed and told him so does all them tools harbor freight sells for 1/2 the price of craftsman I will go buy from them if they are all coming from china, he had a dumber than normal look on his face when I left lol.

Every single socket that was made in the USA was marked. If just says craftsman and the part number then it is guarantied china crap.


Ok thanks I will look next time, I assume this applies to all their hand tools, wrenches, screwdrivers etc. ?


Yes it is on all of the tools. As for the craftsman china Philips head screw drivers my wife and I bring in a drywall screw and go through all of them just to find one that fits in the slot the best. I have pretty much given up using those now and just use a magnetic one that lets me change the bits and I go to Home Depot and buy the Stanley or De Walt brand bits. This is the only way I have found to not strip out the small screws like the ones on the carburetor float bowl on the Pilot.



Still made in the USA list here
http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/tools.html#handtools

Its a sad day for me, time to get the word out I will start another post so its found by the search Engine bots and easy for people to read, I did a little searching.

http://toolguyd.com/open-letter-to-craf ... ade-tools/

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/after ... s-usa.html

http://consumerist.com/2009/03/13/craft ... ates-mood/


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:44 am 
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stix wrote:
I thought I would post the results of my three different compression gauges. Im not advising that any of these gauges are completely accurate since I don't have a $2000(or whatever the cost) gauge calibration tool but I thought I would share.

The base lines for the readings are as follows....The Engine was cold. Ambient temps are 57F and my elevation is about 1200. The Engine I took compression readings from is a CR500 top end grafted to a FL400 bottom. The head is a Pro Design Cool Head with the 63cc dome. While I have not cc the squish and dome together and don't have the formula to figure CCR so Ill have to leave that out. Jug has been ported by ATVracing ,exhaust ports opened up enough that neither Stock nor Pro X piston will cover the ports. Full charge on the battery, 10 amp charger connected to battery for test, throttle wide open. May have forgot something, feel free to question.

No Name brand gauge read 161lbs
Matco CT-65 Gauge with hose reads 154
Quicksilver 91-29287 Gauge reads 169

The Quicksilver gauge reads Made In China and the box states Origin USA, WTF?? Anyhow the gauge is really small and fits the Pilot and CR500 head well. Since the Quicksilver gauge reads highest I will take my future measurements with it, not because it give me the "best" or highest reading but since it reads the highest of my 3 gauges and its below 170 I feel comfortable using pump gas. I will try to remember to post another reading with all gauges later in order to verify precision. Thanks for looking :-)

Did you ever do a test of all three again to see if they are holding accuracy?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:18 pm 
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No but thanks for the reminder. Ill have the Pilots out of the trailer this weekend so Ill try to remember to get some readings. I need to check them anyway. Thanks for the heads up MAS


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:04 pm 
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No but thanks for the reminder. Ill have the Pilots out of the trailer this weekend so Ill try to remember to get some readings. I need to check them anyway. Thanks for the heads up MAS

Sounds good Stix. I ordered the quicksilver and I hope it turns out to be good. I am currently on my third OTC that I am planning on returning this weekend the first two gauges broke and now the third is reading different amounts every time I test with it. The Schrader valves have all leaked and the O-rings only last 2-3 times screwing it into the head. They are a total POS.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:18 pm 
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stix wrote:

89 Pilot CR500 converted pilot Engine

No Name brand gauge read 161lbs
Matco CT-65 Gauge with hose reads 154
Quicksilver 91-29287 Gauge reads 169



Ok Mas I got some time today to take some readings. I tested again with the Matco and Quicksilver.

Matco reads 149
Quicksilver reads 168

These readings are after about 10 to 15 hours of use on the Engine since the above readings were taken. I don't think I lost 5lbs per the Matco gauge. I would think the Quicksilver is spot on as far as accuracy.

For further testing I will be dragging out the 90 Pilot with stock 400 Engine and test with all three gauges.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:11 pm 
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I just found out that OTC brand used to make it for Matco. That is the kind of inaccuracy that I was talking about. Also I got my quicksilver gauge in today and I have to say it is downright tiny but very cool to get in tight places. I haven't tested with it yet because my garage is like below 50 degrees right now. It is supposed to warm back up so I will post later this week.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:25 pm 
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I was surprised at the size of the QS too. Its small and will fit into tight places.

I looked up some old compression readings and took a few readings today on my 90 FL400 stock Engine pilot. THey are as follows...

02/2012, generic gauge, 136
03/2013, generic gauge, 135
09/2014, generic gauge,140

04/2014, Quicksilver gauge, 149
09/2014, Quicksilver gauge, 150

The QS seems to be consistant


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:36 pm 
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I got a chance to test it today around morning noon and night a couple times each. It reads consistently 163 which is like you said stix a little higher than other gauges read. I got a 161 with my other gauges until they stopped working. From now on I will be using the Mercury Quicksilver gauge for every time. Thanks to stix for bringing this brand gauge to our attention.


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