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 Post subject: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:33 pm 
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I got my hands on some Pilot safety nets. Anyone else have or are using these? I am wondering the best way to mount them to the cage tubes because I feel zip ties wont be strong enough.

They latch to the lower side bar with a seat belt type buckle.

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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:15 pm 
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I thought about this idea when we first got the oddys but my brother didn't want any doors.
I wanted to make clear lexan doors and hinge them.
You got nets so I was thinking -- make a frame from 3/16" or 1/4" round stock and weave it through those eyelets. Then hinge it off the mirror down tube. The buckle will hold it all in place when closed. You might have to make a "door stop" on the short roof lid down tube or the main roll hoop. Those pictures are not very good so I can't see if the bottom net rod clears the plastic side skirts and tube at the bottom.


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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:28 pm 
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You could also try to point anchor that net.
Using the two frame bolts for the down tube at both the top and bottom, you could make a closed hook and use those bolts to hold the net. It would be stretched tight between those two points. You could also put a third point anchor bolted to the down tube right at the mirror.
The seat belt buckle will hold it at the bottom.
Now the only issue is to hold the net at the back near the main roll bar. The only decent solution I see there is another belt buckle system mounted to the main roll bar that point anchors the net.

You could go real hillbilly gypsy and put a belt buckle type clip on each eyelet and a point anchor for each one. That would be a hell of a problem if you had to get out fast LOL.


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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:41 pm 
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With regards to the point anchor system I would find an allen head bolt that fits in those two anchor points and would weld a cam n bolt on it. That way you can use the allen wrench to tension the net between the two points.
With regards to the second belt buckle point anchor you could also use a quick pin instead.


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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:58 pm 
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I have something similar, made by webtec. These have a buckle set Up instead of zip ties. I like them and have run them at a track and the dunes. I think your webbing has smaller holes than mine. Picked them up from a member in England I believe it was awhile ago. Current rules wouldn’t let them on a track though out here.


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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:15 am 
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Rppjr wrote:
I have something similar, made by webtec. These have a buckle set Up instead of zip ties. I like them and have run them at a track and the dunes. I think your webbing has smaller holes than mine. Picked them up from a member in England I believe it was awhile ago. Current rules wouldn’t let them on a track though out here.


Yup that's what I was talking about -- point anchoring.
I like your setup better than my ideas. The strapping wraps around the roll bars and won't damage the paint. Very nice. The only thing that would need up grading is those plastic buckles. Nice setup. I saved a pic of that to my computer for potential future use.


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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:19 am 
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Yes, metal brackets would be the ticket. Maybe someday, the other cars I have either have the metal bars running the length of the top and bottom or a cross brace running through the window area. Those are both ok for the tracks near me. The still want a net on the cars with the cross brace but it’s ok to be zip tied.


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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:39 am 
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Looking closer at Rpjrr pics and then looking at your pics, I see no reason why you can't just Velcro strap that net to the down tube that the mirror is on.
Your main seat belt buckle will anchor it at the bottom.
Now all you need is another Velcro strap at the back on the main roll bar or that angled roof lid tube.


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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:54 am 
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I like the rppjr's nets with the clips that is a good idea.

I was told these nets were used on the stadium lite racers. There is a metal tube that spans the bottom of the net and has the male end of the buckle on it. the female end is secured to the frame cross tube.

When talking safety, and these nets, how much safety are they really meant to provide? While in the buggy, with the seat belt on, and using wrist restraints.... there shouldn't be much any pressure from them within the buggy. Unless your arms came free from the wrist restraint.

CO, In your crash, did your arms/hands leave the wrist restraints?

The next thing I was thinking about was that maybe they are meant to prevent foreign objects from entering the buggy, not you from leaving the buggy......????

I feel that Velcro and zip ties would not hold up if was any significant force applied to the net.

-Curtis


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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:57 am 
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Rppjr, What is that black buggy in the background of the photo.... :-)


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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:12 am 
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I realized it's your Triple EEE.. doh

Or should I say one of them :-)


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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:39 am 
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The concern was someone driving into you, hooking tires or nerf bar and pushing a wheel inside the cab. That’s why mine are a no go for tracks. They don’t consider the plastic Buckles strong enough and a good enough anchor point to the cage/frame.
That is the black buggy, I’m about done wiring it. I dislike wiring so I work on it then stare at it then work on it some more. It was a jumbled mess To start with and I never heard this one run so I will be saying a short prayer here pretty soon.
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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:03 am 
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Rppjr wrote:
The concern was someone driving into you, hooking tires or nerf bar and pushing a wheel inside the cab.


Now that makes compete sense. A zip tie, clip, or Velcro will not be strong enough to stop and impact of such force.

I personally like wiring as I do control system electrical design for work. Put a meter in my hand and there is not much I can't solve. My current employer has given me the opportunity to get my electrical licence as well. I am on my last semester of schooling and will be able to take my journeyman test in April this year. I think it will be time to open my own business shortly after, that is my plan anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:04 pm 
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CurtisR401 wrote:


CO, In your crash, did your arms/hands leave the wrist restraints?

-Curtis


No my arms/hands did not leave the wrist restraints. But my head actually hit the ground :shock: .
In my crash the buggy went straight up like a missile and rolled over in the air. I landed on the roof and it hit the ground at an angle. I watched the cage crush in on me and then I got a HUGE whack in the head. My seat belts stretched and my body tried to leave the machine toward that impact point. I stayed well inside the machine but my head did mange to hit the ground and smash my new helmet. If you look at an oddy we are actually exposed on the sides. That's why I asked in that post if safety nets would have prevented my head from hitting the ground.


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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:36 pm 
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How about something like this.


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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:37 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:40 pm 
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CO,
I don't think the side nets would have helped judging by the cage damage. Every time I see these photos... WOW :shock:

go oddy,
That is a little more like what I was thinking. My lower mount is pretty much the same as yours but I do not have those eyelet mounts. Very nice!


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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:46 pm 
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If it was me, I would try to utilize the cage mounting bolts to make any brackets and use the cage bolts to hold it all together. Anything else would damage the paint or you gota make rubber sleeves for the tubes to save the paint.
Just my opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:43 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:50 pm 
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go oddy wrote:


The nets do have the eyelets already. I just was not sure how to securely... secure them to the frame.


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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
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canadian oddy wrote:
If it was me, I would try to utilize the cage mounting bolts to make any brackets and use the cage bolts to hold it all together. Anything else would damage the paint or you gota make rubber sleeves for the tubes to save the paint.
Just my opinion.


That is a great idea as well! I could make a frame around the cage, securing it with the roll cage bolts. Then bolt the net to it through the eyelets! Good stuff, I like it!

I don't think I am going to use these nets on my pilot, they will be used on the Odyssey FL670 build.


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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:10 am 
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This is the only picture I have on my phone of my nets. On the right side of the carts the are all zip tied. So you can’t enter or exit. The left side is a combination on zip ties and heavy duty Velcro. My goal/intention was to keep your arms inside the cart in case of a accident, while the Velcro allows you to easily get into the cart and connect the net to the cart yourself.

I will tell you after seeing rppjr setup I’m definitely going to change my setups! Great way of allowing easy access but also great safety! Thx!


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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
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Jesus CO!!! What heck did you go and do that for??? lol


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mforbes wrote:
Jesus CO!!! What heck did you go and do that for??? lol


Please start on page 1: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15887&hilit=crsah

The rebuild: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17346&hilit=death+machine+rebuild

First ride after my crash and my brother does this: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16961&hilit=brothers+crash

Enjoy :-)


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 Post subject: Re: Pilot Safety Nets
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:22 am 
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CO, I think you crashed worse than Bubba!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wFtFiKg7u4


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