I do use the FOX shocks cant you read? I don't run the YODA brackets because I made my own back in 99 or 2000 when I installed the FOX shocks don't you read? the brackets don't matter they wont affect the toe changes.
http://pilotodyssey.com/fox-home.htm didnt you read about my external adjustable compression ratio innovation
http://pilotodyssey.com/rezadjust.htm

I sent one of my FOX shocks to YODA so he could develop the brackets! don't you read?

Again don't BUY THE YODA KIT

Go AWAY

Buy the ATVR kit! call ATV Racing and order one of their kits! http://atvracing1.com/safety.htm (623) 516-8640


For the others that read and can comprehend...... MY Pilot lands smooth as silk over any bump or jump I have hit literally millions of bumps and jumps since installing the longer arms AND THE FOX SHOX (cant you read?) with no ill affects, it was a 100% improvement over the stock shocks and arms.

pwnd n00b

Any more code talk or texting talk what ever this is suppose to be on this site will get you ban for life!

If you have something to say then say it if you want to type giberish then you will lose your privilege to be here..

Hmm I think you just broke a rule we never had lol

ok, I am going to take the measurements, but as I asked in a PM, can you please for the good of the group and to assist the maker of the kit let me understand how the actual measurements can be used to determine if the kit is worth buying.

haha, layin the smackdown today! not taking prisoners are we?

Liston, it is about the kit-all the other stuff is not my cup of tea-codes, internet hacking whatever-I just want to post the kit stuff-take the other stuff and go to Pilothawks board for all I care.

The important question here is what is the point of your two post in this topic why are you clearly trying to take this post further off topic I think you have missed the whole purpose of this web site.

Why should I take any prisoners? Why am I being put into that position in the first place?

wow, i was just playing around...

how can one little phrase anger people so bad? is everyone having a bad day or something?
this is honestly the first time i didnt feel welcome on this forums. i guess there is a first for everything.

anywho, sorry for the confusion and/or derailing your thread topic.



Tim

Your post is the same type of replies that totally destroyed my first Pilot Odyssey web community (the now dead and gone Pilot-Odyssey.com) since then I will not let such comments slide.

I really need to get these dam measurements-
BEFORE ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE!!!!!

JUST KIDDING ALL--BTW thank you for the kind words on the other thread Tpreed!

I wish i knew the measurements myself! I am still learning about all this complexity!


GET THIS MAN HIS DATA!

http://hallmaso.home.insightbb.com/index.htm

Yoda website for the kit-perhaps a call to him may clear up some questions you have as well as my measurments?

Well, I am giving up,taking Hosers advice and going elsewhere...I have tried contacting Yoda,but he won't return my mail,and I didn't see a number for calling...I have asked questions here, and got tormented for doing so,like I was out to get him or make him look bad something...The link given to me by hoser stated bumpsteer would be significant,and that's all I got to go by....My calculations said the same thing,but I was hoping Mudbogger would prove me wrong....If you are riding in the sand,it would probably be o.k.,but if you ride on the hard stuff and do lots of jumping,I wouldn't recomend the long travel set up...The +2's with a stock shock would probably be good, but no more of gains,it just isn't worth the cost for no more than you achieve with just that...
I talked to ATVR last week,and asked details of their set up,and even contacted Aftershoc about selling just the arms and no steering set up,and trying to design my own,since some people have been having problems with his steering,but his arms seem to work pretty well......His arms are +4,and the arms and braided brake lines were considerable cheaper than Yoda's,actually,almost half,but not sure how easy the steering set up would be to make....I have to do some more reading before I decide to tackle that one, and get some more ideas...
I apologise if I came off the wrong way to some of you..I wasn't bashing Yoda or trying to make him or anyone else look bad, I was just trying to find out some factual numbers instead of opinions before I spent my $$$$
Redman

Thank GOD!

Being the type that wants to investigate things and are interested in handling issues I am surprised your not smart enough to realize what happens when you make the front wider than the rear! I have drove Pilots with wider fronts than rears, I strongly suggest you DRIVE one before you BUY one !

Their is no use in asking other owners about the way they handle because all they are going to give you is "opinions" DRIVE ONE!

Like your comments this is my "opinions"

Hopefully some day you will be able to see the difference between advice and "opinions"

Actually,the +4's make the front pretty much the same width as the rear at ride height...What set up have you driven that made the front rider than the rear? That would take a +6 arm,and I didn't even know they were out there...To be honest,as the front gets wider than the rear,the turning radius would start decreasing significantly....That's a good thing...Push would also start decreaseing,which is a good thing as well...
Oh,and I do know the difference between advice and opinion...It's your opinion the kit handles 100%better than stock,and it's my advice not to get it if you ride on hard pack because of bumpsteer issues...That advice is based on my opinion,which is based on factual numbers,which actually turns that opinion into a hypothosese,and in the scientific world,a fact.....Your opinion is based on your opinion which turns it into a meaningless waiste of broadband....
Redman

Here is a fact for you, I cant count the number of steering/suspension experts that have read a few books about steering and suspension then came to the Pilot Odyssey boards and gave lectures and even tried to to make their facts work on a Pilot Odyssey or home builts, it never seems to work lol seen a few guys spend thousands trying to make it work, to have witnessed these amazing acts you would have to be part of the Pilot Odyssey world since day one (11 years now?) and have read about 100k post.

From what I have noticed once they start talking "TOE , "scrub" or the famous "ackerman" set back and watch the show its quite entertaining.

Hopefully some day we can meet up and you can drive my Pilot on hard pack heck I will even let you drive it on pavement so you can eat crow because your math and facts are simply wrong, since I installed the modified arms on my Pilot it has spent more time on hard pack than it has on soft terrain, sorry that time done come with toe change numbers, toe change is not a issue so no need to measure it, if the toe change was 3' it would not matter it works and I am not going to change what works, same with caster or camber numbers I have no idea what they are, I have never measured them, never had a reason to, the system works.

Good luck with your wider front is better ideas some have to live to learn, here is a hint, to get a idea why not once you get the front wide as or wider than the rear test drive it in the mud you will then understand, any loose surface will give you an idea but mud really brings out the fine quality's, this is "opinions" you probably wont read in any book simply because the book your reading only takes into account good traction on a hard surface lmao.

My opinion must mean something to you sure waste enough of your time on my website!

pwnd n00b[/quote]

Any more code talk or texting talk what ever this is suppose to be on this site will get you ban for life!

If you have something to say then say it if you want to type giberish then you will lose your privilege to be here..

Hmm I think you just broke a rule we never had lol[/quote]




i agrie itsbed unuf that peeple carnt spel lit elone huven to tri to decifa sum bloody codes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

I do remember reading the Briggs built cars are wider in the front than the back,take it for what its worth.

I also remember trying to drive a full size blazer at speed through the sand with a narrower rear than front...What a pain in the arse,the rear trys to "track" in the rut from the front tires,making it wallow back and forth.

my opinion is we all need a little ((Bad Word))!

that's news to me when I was talking to Bob Briggs when he came to race a few SODA races he said he built the cars square does not mean someone didnt change something after he built them tho.

Blazer does not compare really its apples to oranges, same reason why you cant pick up a automotive suspension/steering/racing book and apply it to your design for off road or apply it to a Pilot, most guys playing with suspension/steering miss the most simple obvious things they rely on what they have been told and what they read in some book that does not take into consideration things that apply to what they are really working on, most I seen CANT think for themselves and blindly follow others that cant think either, they can only read a book they never could write one or help write a book

get life insurance friend -and check your healthcare as well if your going to use liewire stuff.Check out TURBO'S THREAD on his 350 LT kit?He has calcualtions, and testing, you have mathmatical equations we all can use please?.I can't see how Lirewires stuff is cheaper, is it better built?? your safety should be the top priority, and I haven't given you the measurements purposely.I believe you have alterior motives in posting this thread, YODA REPLIES TO EVERY one of my questions, he has replied back to questions posted in threads here-why wouldn't you post a thread and have him answer here?I wish you well, and hope you'll post the calcualtions you did that sold the LIEWIRE kit to you.
How can Liewires arms work well, but the steering set doesn't??????
You haven't purchased a kit from him, but know the arms works well, where did you get the testing from?
see what I mean by alterior motives, it sounds to me you have a great knowledge of Liewire stuff.
Theres a reason if in fact his arms are cheaper-----

Maybe he will post better instructions if he buys chucklenuts at aftershot motorspurts kit!!!

I just know from speaking with him that his arms have pretty much the same dimensions that ATVR has,and a bunch cheaper than ATVR's...The only knowledge I have of them is from speaking with him,comparing the dimensions to ATVR, and reading Turbo's thread...Seems the only problem Turbo had was with the steering...The arms and shocks seem to be working well for him...If Yoda reads here,I am sure he has seen this thread, and my mail as well...With him not answering,and you not answering either concerns me that maybe the info I was looking for is something that needs addressing on his kit,and that just scared me...I haven't bought anything yet...
Motives?Hmmmm....What motive could I possibly have in asking about the tow change in the kit?If there is none, then that would be a good motive killer for anyone that might have a motive,but I have no motive other than spending my money on something that works well opposed to something that doesn't...
How can they be cheaper? Don't know,but they are...That's just buying the arms and balljoints,nothing else....
Redman

you will need more than just the arms and ball joints... how you going to stretch the stock tie rods from the steering nuckle out to the hub? You will surely need his drag link, or make one of your own...
If that is all you are after (arms and Balljoints) I would suggests doing what adnoh did and get some extended +2+1 arms made for the Honda TRX450R Much cheaper even yet... Since that seems to be your biggest concern is $$$ and bumpsteer! If you get them with hiems all the way around you can set it up yourself and won't have any bumpsteer!!! Don't count on chucklenuts at aftershot motorspurts to help you after he gets your money!!! I am not the only one who can say this...