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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:30 pm 
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hoser wrote:
Mouse? A live one?

I never noticed a mouse nest in the neck collar...

The 350 was setting in my trailer the past few weeks I better set a trap inside just to make sure their are none still in the trailer, had traps set in the MH no mice their never thought about the trailer grrrr


No actually it was deceased Hoser. It fell out of the pad when I took it off the 350.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:47 pm 
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Had some hrs tonight to get into the PPE tonight. As posted I wanted to start off with a look at the electrical. There are wires all over the place and I prefer a cleaner look. After several hrs I ripped pretty much every added on harness out, the TURBO fan had 3 missing blades and is history,added switch panel on the passenger side roll cage is alos gone, and with them went wire harnesses as well. 2 top roof lid lights are gone, both were blown out, rear lights as well will need to be rewired, the rear brake light switch in the caliper is still good so far.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:29 pm 
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More progress today. Took the floor tub out as it was in poor shape to say the least. Cleaned and adjusted the front brakes as they were packed solid with crap. When taking the floor tub out I took the complete steering column out as well, you cannot get the new floor tub in without doing so, and I had to check the lower steering bushing on the shaft anyway. Both brake cables are bad-will replace them. The cover on the steering wheel had a cell phone holder which I removed as well. The brake levers in the wheel were in some poor shape and needed to be cleaned and lubricated, they would not pull with ease. The Engine was power washed with the trans, both fluids drained and new synthetic oils filled.I installed a used Pilot seat in the PPE as I need all the legroom I can get being 6-4. I cleaned the K&N pre filters, both were PACKED with sand badly, took me several cleanings to get it clean. re tightened all the hose clamps on the coolant lines,re-routed all the wires for the radiator and heat sensors. The factory skid plate was only on with 2 bolts, fixed that as well. Drained and re filled the coolant system today as well. Checked the rear wheel bearings also today.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:39 pm 
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Bring it back to LIFE. Randomly stumbling upon the PPE on youtube is what got me into all of this 3 years ago!


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:18 pm 
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Oh no worries. I am working on it right now-rethreading all the stock OEM threads in the frame for the seat belts and floor tubs. Spent an hr today getting the 2 top bolt holed retapped to stock size, the existing bolts were way longer then needed. I again double checked the new wire harness I made up for the EGT which now runs along side the main lower roll cage tube where Turbo has the mounts for the side panels, previously it was hanging on the lower tube wear it could have been caught by a tree, etc. Now it is up and out of harms way. I ended up changing 4 hose clamps on the lower rad hose today. I also re-aligned the overflow for the fuel cell away from it's original location today.
Today as well I took the 2 brake cables and lubed the hell out of them with WD40,IT WORKED AFTER A SPELL and they know pull easily-I will adjust the levers in the wheel to get more throw on them, I betya the brakes will be better for sure. I am going to have to bleed the brakes again as the rear caliper brake light sensor does not work, going from memory it is caused by air in the caliper, so I will have at it and try to bleed it to see if I can get it working. I do not have a clue if it did work at some time prior, but currently it is not operational.
I will in the future bring the PPE to my friends shop for fab some custom air filter mounts, currently they are just sitting there not fastened.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:54 am 
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Mudbogger wrote:
Purchased a set of OEM rims and tires off Nelly.
PPE scheduled to arrive tomorrow night here at my compound, looking forward to it!!


So what do you think of the wheels and tires? Are you happy with them?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:54 am 
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Hoser says they are in great shape! Thanks for the sale!


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:03 am 
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Oh my bad, I thought you had them in your possession already. Yeah, hoser liked their condition, I am sure you will be pleased with them as well. Are they for the PPE, or do you have other plans for them?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:27 pm 
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Nelly wrote:
Oh my bad, I thought you had them in your possession already. Yeah, hoser liked their condition, I am sure you will be pleased with them as well. Are they for the PPE, or do you have other plans for them?


Dunno to be honest-might be for future 350's for me or Hoser, you never know!!! :-)


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:23 am 
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Mudbogger wrote:
Nelly wrote:
Oh my bad, I thought you had them in your possession already. Yeah, hoser liked their condition, I am sure you will be pleased with them as well. Are they for the PPE, or do you have other plans for them?


Dunno to be honest-might be for future 350's for me or Hoser, you never know!!! :-)


:-) I was just curious. Although I would hate to hear that you took a white rattle can to those beauties! :shock:


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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:58 pm 
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No, I have rims for that already! I'll see what I am going to do with them in the future.


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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 9:18 pm 
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Floor tub arrived tonight late. I had to basicly rip everything out of the steering area to get it in, man did they upgrade with the Pilot tub for sure!!! I will have to basicly pull anything associated with the steeering column off the frame, including the lower steering cloumn bracket as well to get the tub and column in and snugged down. What a pain in the arse for sure. I would really cut the dam thing to make it look like a Pilot but just can't stoop to that level. Might take me some time to do it right, but that it the way it is going to be done accomplished. Will post pics tomorrow , tired need sleep.


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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 9:25 pm 
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Installed the floor tub tonight what a bitch-I had forgotten how hard these things are to do! I had to take everything associated with the column out, master included. What a apain in the ass this thing was. I completed the install and then had to take the darn steering wheel of 3 times after forgetting the plastic on the column first, then forgot to install the dam choke cable, it was 1 thing after another with this thing!!
I adjusted the brake cables as well and cleaned all the threads on everything. I prefer the brake levers to be out a little bit farther then stock so the dots do not match on the inner steering internals-I go 1 spline out. You might not be able to see but I had to drill 2 holes on each side of the tub to accomendate the bolts from the nerf bars, it just did not fit properly until I did this!
Brakes work well, just need to button up a couple of minor items. Hopefully ready to ride!


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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 9:27 pm 
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Glad you go it in, as I remember the FL250 is a pain in the ass too.


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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 12:10 pm 
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Fixed and installed a LED brake light, for some reason Turbo had grounded the aftermarket sending unit coming out of the caliper. I remembered and after a brief chat with Mass he told me power into it, switch activates the power out to the light, and bingo it did. So I hooked up the light in the middle and it works great! Pictures to follow. Will do some minor adjustments on brakes and steering when I take it out for first time.Also replaced the front WORKS shock rubbers and clamps as the old ones were dry rotted and falling off!


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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 6:09 pm 
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Pilot seat mounted in ody frame minus new CROW harnesses.


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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 8:42 pm 
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Got into the front end tonight as I took the ody for a ride and it does not turn at all. I mean it is terrible! I started by a general look at the alignment-it is way off.
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Even sitting down it is off. I took a couple of pictures of it from different angles. The way the tie rods are set up prevent the spindles from hitting the locks-this design might not be right at all here. It is terrible. No matter what I did the steering never got better-it sucks.
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I dunno what happened to this front end but does that look right to you? The opposite side is no way near this cambered in, and I have not touched this adjustment at all currently, your seeing it as I got it from Turbo. Why is the right side cambered so far in and the other side not?
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see the difference from the left side. Again I have not touched these adjustment, all I have tryed is tie rod stuff. Is it me?
After closely looking over the design of the tie rods on this suspenmsion, I caanot see how with the current design you could ever get full right to left lock to lock capabilities. It is impossible, the 2 piece design of the tie rods totally prevent it.


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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 8:49 pm 
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On the left front tire which is the side that is an issue the tie rod is extended outward and has adjustment to pull it in, but that will only solve a small item, the bigger issue is ths lack of turning radius, how can people state this kit is great, they love it, I need for somebody over at that camp to show me how the hell they get there steering to work PLEASE!
I am thinking of taking the ody to a local well respected chasiss builder locally that specializes in race/drag,full chassis system for all types of motorsprots to see if the design flaws in the system can be fixed or a method of fixing this nightmare can be worked into the subframe.
I'll also going to reserch Turbo threads on redoing this system as well, hopefully I can see what has happened here. I also have to check the arms and tie rods themsleves to see if they are bent, or if a replacement has been installed that is in correct in geometry. I did find 1 bent hiem on the right side so far. I am hoping tha arms are not bent from the numerous races Turbo took this thing through. don't think that is issue -or mabye hoping it is not!!
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 8:58 pm 
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Here is a picture of the tie rods and the set up. If you follow the tie rod off the steering chaft you'll see it ends and attaches to a second tie rod with hiem joint-that second tie rod hits the main hiem way before you have any type of raduis on the steering.
If you look at the pictures you can see the steering is all the way to the right-thats all it has for the radius.


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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 9:42 pm 
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Clam down Mudd :-) Take a deep breath.Its not like you don't have something to ride while this one gets straightened out.

Its probably all there,just needs to be completely re-setup.Although I'm not sure about that outer tierod deal,that looks kinda shady?

First thing I would do is get the ride height down,way down!It looks like its at full droop already!I would set the frame up on something level and pull the shocks so you can actually cycle the suspension.Pull the wheels.
Then disconnect the outer tierods and cycle the suspension by hand to see what the camber looks like.
Take a pic from the front with the lower c-arm parallell to the ground or lower frame.
The steering can be fixed later.
Does this thing have front brakes?


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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 12:36 am 
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Yeah get the ride height down and the caster and Camber set the same right and left first before the steering. As far as the steering. It looks like the lawyer links are too short and tie rods too long. Lengthen the lawyers and then they won't hit the main chassis hyme before full lock turn.


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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:21 am 
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Thanks for the help. I agree the lawyer links are too short and in my opinion if they were lengthened and the outer tie rods shortened it would seem in theory to work. I started to look into putting the frame on stands to get the suspension at ride height but it started to rain and have limited room in my current garage.


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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:45 am 
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I went and tryed quickly to extend the lawyer links using the hiems and as stated the outer tie rods are too long. I will look into getting these links shortened by locla shop for me. I do have to consider as stared the ride height and suspension travel into the lengths though as they might hit the sub frame at full droop. Actually if you extend them outward though it would pull the outer tie rod away from the frame and both arms but will it cause binding when the suspension is compressed?


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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 10:03 am 
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Mudbogger wrote:
I went and tryed quickly to extend the lawyer links using the hiems and as stated the outer tie rods are too long. I will look into getting these links shortened by locla shop for me. I do have to consider as stared the ride height and suspension travel into the lengths though as they might hit the sub frame at full droop. Actually if you extend them outward though it would pull the outer tie rod away from the frame and both arms but will it cause binding when the suspension is compressed?



Can you compare lengths to new parts maybe Turbo was delivered wrong parts from day one?


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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 10:44 am 
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This is just my opinion but I would not change the length of any of those parts just yet.You can not guess at where the inner tie rod pivots are located.

If you go to Fullys thread I basically explained it there how to find this point very easily.

We can go through it here again if you want.


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