http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/snw/4662146445.html

i am lookin for a pilot and ran across this one. i don't know much about them so i wanted to hear what you guy thought.

I wouldn't spend anything near 4700 for that pilot


Not worth it when its missing 2K in fenders

Gotta agree with BS on that. Missing other items too. No way I would spend that much either.

WTF is with the rear shocks? looks like they are off of a quad or something and way too short? AND they cut the factory shock mounts and radiator mount/chassis support off.

Definately run away fast from this pile.

It's a older style LT kit that was offered. The shocks go sideways like that. Hoser might know more.

Not to mention that gay bar running vertical, WTF???

I don't know what this Pilot is worth, but I would like to know more about it. I see the frame has additional gussets and what looks like a removable cage support. Someone spent considerable effort on this buggy, for better or worse is the question.

4700 for a LT pilot that needs a little fab and fender work. Not unreasonable. Always wondered how well that rear LT worked. I like the fact that you don't need to cut the fenders to get it installed. But yeah, removing the rear radiator bar was a bad thing to do. And I would remove that added cage bar. Needs some work. Everything is a negotiation.

I'm with Oddy and Rick.(not that anyone cares!)
Maybe the guy really drove it and didn't want the roof to cave when he wrecked? Could have made it bolt in though.

Fenders? Meh!

The layed-over shock theory has been proven not to work on bigger cars, but on a light go-kart, who knows?

Can you go look at it? Make him an offer?

Based on the real cars in the back round he might know what he's doing.

As a Fabricator and chassis builder I don't see any reason at all that that radiator bar needs to be there after remounting the radiator. It adds nothing to the car, and the stock shocks are not used. Its adding nothing. 4700 sounds pretty cheap to me for a long travel pilot, cant say how dialed in the rear is but it would be easy to convert it to a different shock desing or it might work real well the way it is. No mater what it has to ride many times better than any stock pilots rear suspension no mater what shocks the stock Pilot has on it. The cage is no longer Hondas, at least part of it, cant say what tubing was put on there but it is not hard to add safety to a pilot even using black pipe for a roll cage. Pilot roll cages are dangerously thin to begin with, something like 032 mild steel. You can darn near dent that with your fist. That bar coming down while it may be ugly has added about 100 times the strength to that cage, and I have to ask why someone would suggest bolting it in?? The front suspension looks to be in good shape, looks to have a decent pair of shocks on it that do not look over sprung and should ride night and day better than a stock with Works or any other brand. If its close go check it out, never know, he might have the fenders for it.

studying the pictures on the other link it looks like this pilot has more wheel travel than a ATV racing pilot. The suspension looks like it drops farther down, cant say going up but it is all 4130 arms and links acording to the link= not a cheap kit. Again not sure how it performs, with shock work I am sure it could be dialed in.

I totally agree with everything you said Dave.

"I have to ask why someone would suggest bolting it in??"

The only reason I mentioned bolting in the bar was for the resale homos that are more interested in resale value than their own safety.

Where's the airbox? If the owner of the pilot did some bullshit air mod using a k&n filter, I would be weary of the engines condition. I would offer no more than $3900 for it hoping the Engine isn't completely trashed internally.

Rear suspension looks like the High Performance ATV setup, he had a lot of tall claims like ATVR had no clue how it worked other than Randy at Odysseysalvage.com use to have one said it was prone to snapping the shafts off the rear shocks.

If its a High Performance ATV front suspension you need about a 3 acre field to turn it around in, the rack and pinion setup was a joke at best.

Looks like its setting in some sort of a fab shop I see two brakes in the back ground.

Simple question for the extra bar that was added would be 'demonstrate how you exit the Pilot in a emergency NOT going out the front and unassisted" seen that question during a tech inspection at one of the old SODA races, owner took his buggy back to the drawing board, moron installed the side nets where they were not removable from the drivers compartment only exit was out the front, unacceptable .

I didnt know it had a rack and pinion steering in it. My kids could get out of that Pilot with no problems, me on the other hand would have to ask someone to get a saw and kindly cut it out so I could get out of it. Building my sons Pilot cages they would ask for bars to be put in the damnedest places lol. They can fold themselfs into a envelope, others cant. I built all of them with entry and exit clearly in mind. That bar most would have a problem getting in or out. It is The ultimate strength increase for that cage design but I wouldn't want it there. hard time getting in and out takes a lot of the fun out of it, but it would be easy to remove and relocate it.

When I use to go to the SODA races I loved to hang out in the tech area watch the machines gets their tech inspection then you get to talk to the off road safety homos between inspections, the reasons they had for all their silly rules was amazing and they only have racer safety in mind they are not just ball busters looking to complicate your life, not only do you need to be able to get in and out by yourself the rescue team needs to be able to get a assumed injured driver/passenger out of the machine when things go wrong, most if not all the standards SODA had was just reactions to past races, they evaluate all crashes then the safety program evolved from the data they collected, if you crashed bad in your first heat then you had to get another tech inspection before the next heat, you also had to be tech inspected before every race in the series.

My guess is most sanction races has about the same program on safety.