http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/3096369443.html

decided to sell my TA and get something newer.

Someone prove to you scientifically this increases flow and more importantly improves HP or torque if so I would like to see all the data...

MAF is a flow monitor they spend the extra expense of adding the honey comb so it will straighten out the air flow and give you a more accurate and honest assessment of how much aid you actually have flowing through the duct at a given time.

Will removing the honeycomb increase flow YES but the ID of the MAF was engineered with the honeycomb to flow MORE air their the Engine could ever consume all flow monitors are designed this way.

No doubt psychologist gains are great because someone was smarter than the guys that designed the flow monitor.

One year back in the 90's I made about 80k bux removing the same type flow monitors at the local nuke plant because they were "restricting flow" they got more flow but the flow monitor (sensors like in a MAF) was getting stratified air flow this was affecting the flow readings so all the mixing dampers were not responding and positing correctly and the system was all out of wack so they paid me about 150k to go back and reinstall the honeycombs in the next 2 years haha

To get a accurate flow reading you either need the honeycomb to straighten and balance the air flowing through the duct or to add about 50 more sensors so it can read more area inside the duct then average the flow rate and adjust according, again they over size the duct ID before adding the honeycomb so you have more flow than ever required.

Engineers at the nuke plant was playing more flow more go theory they got more flow but no control and in the end ended up with about 1/2 the system performance.

System still ran but really poorly, they spent millions undoing their more flow more go BS was 100% win win for me, consumers ended up paying for the whole exercise in confusion through higher electric bill rates

Whats funny is all they had to do was ask a service guy "what will happen if we remove these".

They could have added a bypass duct with a flow monitor at each flow monitor station more than doubled the available flow, maintained all the control and saved millions, sorta like adding the dual intake mod on a Pilot or Odyssey.

I took a GM OEM MAF sensor that was bad out of the dumpster and removed the honeycomb and installed it in the mouth of my Pilot carb to straighten out the air after the sharp bend in the intake, same carb I run against them 4 ATV Racing CR500 Pilots and ran side by side with them under every condition we could think of, all with my little 400cc intake restricted Pilot http://www.pilotodyssey.com/PWKmod.htm

Next time you gut one of them MAF's please save me the honeycomb I have a few more carbs to install them on they are hard to come by

Nice ride....good luck on the sale

The MAF screen was actually already removed when I got it. There has been debate on LS1 forums on if it really works or not. I saw a thread where they did 5 "free mods" (remove MAF screen, polish the throttle body, modify the stock airbox, coolant bypass, and EGR delete) they gained like 12hp on the dyno (but those numbers can vary simply by weather conditions and what not) and they also ran it on the track before and after (again, weather conditions) and they picked up a few thenths, which for a street car really isnt all that big of a deal. Regardless, the screen was gone when I got the car.

Thanks, I have had a few emails already. Hope it sells and I can get my C5 or a GTO

I have a t-type,that's a popular mod on them too.

Good luck,cool car.

What year gto??? If I win the lotto I plan on buying a 1967 gto

Right GM spent 5x more to monitor air flow than they really needed, 5x more cost times millions of automobiles, you really believe these after market morons , the honeycomb idea was developed in the HVAC industry and is proven to work, everybody knows adding the honeycomb to the inside of the duct will reduce flow that is why the duct is greatly over sized so flow is not restricted they also oversize the duct to slow air velocity for more stable and accurate flow readings.

I guess the question everybody should have been asking is where is the proof the intake was restrictive in the first place, so many has been brain washed that every intake system on the planet is undersized ever seen this is a myth created by after market industries to extract billions of dollars customers 99% are too dumb to question they just buy, add a little bling and it sells faster haha

Most don't want to know the truth simply because they cant handle the truth knowing they gained nothing crushes their dreams and egos.

Guys fiddle with things like the MAF screen then never check the air pressure in their tires OEMs had to install sensors in the rims that illuminates a light in the dash for these morons.

12hp on a dyno is nothing talk to a dyno owner that is honest and willing to talk you can fool a dyno to read what ever you want between runs, where are the independent test, their is none because nobody is smart enough to insist on them being performed they just eat up the bullshit because it was presented in a commonsensical way (everybody knows the honeycomb will restrict flow) and never questioned, guys smart enough to know its a scam are the ones you don't see buying and yet enjoying watching other piss away their time and money.

Every gain/loss attached to the automotive industry can be backed 100% by science and easily proven beyond a shadow of a doubt but all this is left out because it would collapse the after market industry, if it would help them sell parts you would see the science.

Remember when the 400EX came out and the flood of go faster goodies that followed, I left mine 100% stock had a friend that spend 1400 bux on a pipe carb CDI (Capacitor Discharge Ignition) air box kit bla bla bla when he was all done we drag raced he was about 2" faster than my stock 400EX after we ran WOT (Wide Open Throttle) 5th gear for about a 2 mile stretch, he was 4x louder so he had that going for him, even with his wallet 1400.00 lighter he really was not any faster, I was impressed he read all them magazine articles and internet crap written by all them experts.

I like the GTOs.

These guys are my niebors,you should here some of the LS stuff going by!

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But if you go with the 67 you don't have to worry about MAF screens!

Nah, lookin for a daily driver. '05-'06 with the 6.0 the '04 came with the 5.7, test drove one, it was cool, but I want the 6.0, prefer stick as well. Although I still think the C5 vette will be my first choice

If I was in your part of the country I would be looking for a classic GTO

Growing up my buddy had a 1970 GTO for a while then like a fool sold it then missed it and bought a 1971 and had it for about 5 years I wish I could have bought them both.

What ever you get post some pics when you get it.

Your Trans Am looks good in the pics I would think it will be a fast sell.

Thanks. I tried to be as accurate as possible in the description (as well as humorous in the video!) I had a guy call and ask if I wanted to trade for a "cruiser bike" and he said the video really made him laugh. When he talked to me on the phone, he was like, "what happened to your accent?" So I had to fess up lol.

Will post pics once I get new ride.

Ok, finally got the car sold. Managed to get $4k for it. Pretty amazing, I got $1200 MORE for my pilot than my Trans Am!!! And which one is more practical to own? Which one can you drive to work? Which one is realistically more important? LOL What a trip.

Stay tuned for future grocery getter

Someone got a deal that car had a nice look to it.

I cant wait to see the replacement

Got the "replacement" today....I am still grinning ear to ear

2005 Pontiac GTO 6.0 liter 400hp 400lb/ft automatic with a little over 30k miles on it. This car is freakin sweet! Practiclly brand new. Below are pics that the PO had posted on his CL ad. It only has 1 flaw where he rubbed it against a high curb/wall on the passenger side front bumper and peeled the paint down to the black primer/plastic, but it is not that big of a flaw.

last pics. I should do a "walk around" video lol....Cowboy Cleetus!!!!!

Sweet ride! Did that rusty tank ever show up? Pretty bad wasn't it. lol

Nice car and colour Nick,the redder the better I say!

Do you know that your car comes from Downunder?
It was made by GM Holden,from the base 4 door Commodore sedan platform.
The commodore is the bread and butter car for Holden here,just like the Falcon for Ford.
Holden's sport's version is the Monaro,generally a 2 door.
The Pontiac is basically an Aussie Monaro V8,re-badged and grilled as Pontiac,then shipped Up-Over to you.

Thanks! Nah, the tank aint all that bad.....HA HA HA!!!! Yeah, looks nice and rusty inside, should be fun to get it back up to snuff!

Thanks! Yeah, cant get much more red than a "red on red" setup like this lol.

I knew the car had roots from down unda, but didnt know the details. Thanks for the education there!

i believe the fuel tank you have will be US as well, i would like one or it's older brother the HQ monaro

The HQ,the older bro? More like the great grand daddy Sean?
I'm a Ford bloke not holden,but I think they came out around 1971?1972?
I was still in primary school then,about 12yrs old when they were released?
Had the mullet and wore the flares back then,how things have changed?
Hang on!Still have the mullet,flares,and sure my platforms are in the walk in robe!

Congrats Nick ,cool ride for sure.

Sweet car that 400 hp should be a blast, rear wheel drive?

Yeah, it is rear wheel drive with IRS (ind. rear susp.) Thing rides like a dream. It is hard to tell the difference in power from this car to my old TA, the TA was lighter (3477 lbs), stock it had 335hp, with mods I'd say close to 350hp. The goat has 400hp but is heavier (3775 lbs). What little I have driven it so far it feels really similar to the TA for power. I never had a chance to run the TA at the track, but from research I did from actual people racin their cars as well as magazines testing TA's, I would roughly estimate it was a low 13, MAYBE high 12 second car on a good day. The GTO, just from what I have read on forums, SHOULD run mid to low 13's stock, but honestly that's not why I bought the car. I wanted something clean, fun to drive, and low miles. If the opportunity arrises where I can run it on a local track, I MAY be inclined to do it, but wont be dissapointed at slower ETs than expected. As for "mods" I just want to stick some flowmasters under it so I can hear it better, and maybe an intake and tune the computer. Nothin too nuts.