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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:10 pm 
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I think nukem still runs one ask him if he likes it. :-)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Heel-Clicker-pr ... 619wt_1344" ."..


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:02 am 
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Looks like your getting a lot for the price some of the other clutch kits I have seen for RZR's are not cheap.

Personally I am always skeptical at any after market product that has to use a gay name like "heel clicker" and included stickers to attract customers, I have all kinds of respect for after market company's that market their products simply as they are and without the use of a perspective buyers imagination.

I went to their website http://www.heelclickerclutching.com/ and did a little reading and still have no idea what the "kit" really does other than its adjustable, all the clutches they sell kits for are already adjustable just look in the applications service manual my RZR has a ton of different factory springs cams etc to tune.

The adjustable weight on the flyweights I first seen in the mid 70's on snowmobiles I had a factory Kawisucki Engine/drive clutch that came from the factory setup where you just remove weight washers to tune part of their OEM clutches.

I would expect any respectable honorable company to fully describe what their product does in layman's terms in their advertisements.

Spent 15 minutes of my life reading on the heel clicker site still have no idea exactly what the product does, read a lot of sales man implied bullshit they seem hung up on the word revolutionary they even use it in BOLD so you cant miss it too bad they don't describe how revolutionary applies to their products guess we all need to just use our imagination so when we receive their products and install the physiological gains will work on us.

Clutching is a exact science meaning for every change you make you can scientifically document 100% of its reaction to your changes, easily too, so where is their documentation what their product does? Looks like a bunch of bull shit to me selling parts you can fabricate in your garage in a few minutes to buy right from your dealer lmao.

Many fools are soon parting with their money paying for slick advertising hype and words.

Cant understand why people buy without asking.

You know when you been suckered when you read the "tech article" and it says
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This patented "dual quadrant" technology is revolutionary to the industry!


They never tell you what "dual quadrant" is and how its used on the parts you just bought, you paid for a line of bullshit meant to boost your physiological gains not your clutch performance lmao.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:08 am 
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Did you read this part, clear to me they have been sued many times when they put that huge disclaimer in the instructions.


WARNING! READ BEFORE INSTALLATION!
Personal injury and damage to property can result from the improper
installation and use of any product, including the Heel Clicker Clutch
Kit. Installation of this kit should not be attempted unless you are a
trained service technician or have a thorough and complete knowledge
of CVT systems and their repair and tuning. Novice tuner should not
attempt installation. It is recommended that a qualified dealership or
repair facility install this kit.

DEFINED WARNING: This is a high performance product for use in sanctioned
racing events only and is not for installation or operation by "consumers" as defined by
the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. DO NOT install any performance parts unless you
have the technical ability to properly set up the entire machine to compensate for the
installation of these parts.

The expertise and necessary work needed to install products varies from one product to
another. Instructions (where provided) are given to assist in installation only and are
not a substitute for mechanical expertise. References to performance gains, reliability,
ease of installation and tuning are based on our experiences. This is NOT a guarantee
of similar performance in every installation. While we sell tested and proven products,
individual results may vary.


While we sell tested and proven products, individual results may vary.

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individual results may vary.


Yes that is for the people that jedi mind tricks simply don't work on, like me, that is telling me not to expect any physiological gains from this product.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:06 pm 
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hoser wrote:
Did you read this part, clear to me they have been sued many times when they put that huge disclaimer in the instructions.


WARNING! READ BEFORE INSTALLATION!
Personal injury and damage to property can result from the improper
installation and use of any product, including the Heel Clicker Clutch
Kit. Installation of this kit should not be attempted unless you are a
trained service technician or have a thorough and complete knowledge
of CVT systems and their repair and tuning. Novice tuner should not
attempt installation. It is recommended that a qualified dealership or
repair facility install this kit.

DEFINED WARNING: This is a high performance product for use in sanctioned
racing events only and is not for installation or operation by "consumers" as defined by
the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. DO NOT install any performance parts unless you
have the technical ability to properly set up the entire machine to compensate for the
installation of these parts.

The expertise and necessary work needed to install products varies from one product to
another. Instructions (where provided) are given to assist in installation only and are
not a substitute for mechanical expertise. References to performance gains, reliability,
ease of installation and tuning are based on our experiences. This is NOT a guarantee
of similar performance in every installation. While we sell tested and proven products,
individual results may vary.


While we sell tested and proven products, individual results may vary.

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individual results may vary.


Yes that is for the people that jedi mind tricks simply don't work on, like me, that is telling me not to expect any physiological gains from this product.




I was on their website this morning as well and couldnt figure out exactly what it was supposed to do. I'm beginning to look for a clutch for my 350. What I have so far is a liquid cooled head and cylinder that's ported. I will be running a 35, 36, or 38mm keihin carb(havn't decided which to buy yet), cr250 cage with 4 pedal fiberglass reeds. and a power pro's exhaust. I don't know much about cvt clutches or what the changes will do. From what I read there's big gains to be had with the right clutch. The stock clutch seemed to work fine for me. Upshifted and backshifted fine but I wanna get the engagement rpm up to kick me in the pants a bit. Basically I'm looking for a proven setup to put on there and forget about adjustability. I just want it to work and work good with proper maintenance.
What would be a good clutch for me to use? Any advice would be appreciated. thanks


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:14 pm 
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Also I have a comet 94c on my future backup Engine. It's pretty crusty looking but I think it'd clean up pretty good. Is there a way that I can just up the stall on it and use it? I'm not looking to throw away cash if I can meet my needs with what I already have. Thanks


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:28 pm 
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OdysseySalvage.com sells the orange, yellow, and white springs for the 94c for $28.50 each.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:38 pm 
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DMoneyAllstar wrote:
OdysseySalvage.com sells the orange, yellow, and white springs for the 94c for $28.50 each.


I saw the springs there but I've never had luck contacting them. I've tried repeatedly and havn't got an email back or a call. I'm not very impressed with there service or lack there of.(just my experience, might be good people but if they won't respond to me when I'm trying to give them money they definately won't respond when I have trouble with something they sold me).JMO Does anyone know of another place that sells them? Has anyone used a 94c with a different spring? Feedback? Thanks


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:29 pm 
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Fatcat wrote:
DMoneyAllstar wrote:
OdysseySalvage.com sells the orange, yellow, and white springs for the 94c for $28.50 each.


I saw the springs there but I've never had luck contacting them. I've tried repeatedly and havn't got an email back or a call. I'm not very impressed with there service or lack there of.(just my experience, might be good people but if they won't respond to me when I'm trying to give them money they definately won't respond when I have trouble with something they sold me).JMO Does anyone know of another place that sells them? Has anyone used a 94c with a different spring? Feedback? Thanks


94C is a great clutch you know for a fact you need to change any of the settings?

If it was mine I would clean it up good then spray down the wear surfaces inside the clutch with "comet clutch lube" and give it a try.

Search around the web for the best price on this lube some think its a can of gold.
http://www.amazon.com/Comet-Clutch-Lube ... B005HO7TSU

You might ask Don V. if he still has any springs.

I sent a email to Randy telling him people were trying to contact him, then about a week or so later he replied said I was the only one he replied to and that he was sick with pneumonia in and out of hospital and currently making trips between the bed and bathroom trying to recover.

Those who don't know Randy he is a sickly type guy he had a heart transplant many years ago and its been a complicated and up hill battle for him ever since, you cant ask for a better more knowledgeable and honest Pilot Odyssey parts guy I know this does not help anybody get parts any faster just passing along what I know.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:14 pm 
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I will go ahead and clean it up and give it a try. That's a pretty good idea as I'm not sure if it needs any tuning or it could already work good for me. I'll definately check with Don about springs for any future changes. Thanks


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:19 pm 
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Figure out which one is in there now -- is it still colored?

Here's the Google Shopping results: http://www.google.com/#q=comet+94c+springs&hl=en&prmd=imvns&source=univ&tbm=shop&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=L4drT660EoKzgwf0k7GuBg&ved=0CHgQrQQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=eca0f261b7560779&biw=1680&bih=844 Denis Kirk http://denniskirk.com is a big-time, long-time, well-known distributor.

Or some others which you'd want to call and check with...

Try http://www.mfgsupply.com/ but beware...I'm still not sure if it's a mere conincidence or not, but I tried ordered some 102c springs / cams here and my bank cancelled my credit card and sent me a new one with a new number after some "fraudulent activities" were deteced.

Orange and white ones for $16.75...http://www.olliesservice.com/Comet-Industries-94C-DUSTER-CLUTCH-SPRINGS-detail.htm?productId=10463653...I never used this particular site, though.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:20 pm 
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The comet dry lube is good stuff that's what I've been using for years. Now Nukem could explain it better than I could but I will try. :shock: I think the idea is to start with a light arm and add the weight to it until you get the rpm that you want. The more power you make the more weight you can add. The more weight you can put in the "heel" the better it seems to work. I'm not going to lie it didnt make my 350 like way faster or anything, but it made it way more fun to ride. It made it much more responsive out of a corner almost like it downshifted more. I would say that other than my works shocks this was the best thing I have done. Sadly I had to sell my Odyssey, but if I ever own another one or a pilot I will make this purchase again.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:34 pm 
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I'm very familiar with Denis Kirk http://denniskirk.com. Didn't even think to check them. Ill keep them in mind if I don't get any from my local guy. Thanks a lot guys


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:35 pm 
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The heel clicker and thunder products shift kits are a must with modded engines. Any change in the torque curve of the Engine will cause the clutching to be incorrect. Yes, you can go buy countless amounts of weights and try them, or you can buy one kit, adjust as needed, then when the mod bug hits you again, you can readjust vs having to buy more weights. The big problem with the adjustable weights is when guys try to set up the machine without a tach and overspeed the Engine. If you don't have a tach, don't waste your money - you will still be guessing.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:06 pm 
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Wow I pay $270 for these and I cant even give them away!


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