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 Post subject: Got woops
PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:39 pm 
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Did a little more work today on the Hacker arms. Tell me what you think.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:44 pm 
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heres a few of old and new for side by side comparson.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:48 pm 
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pics of arm mod.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:51 pm 
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make them fit.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:54 pm 
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few more.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:55 pm 
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Pretty cool, I am anxious to see it out and running, especially on the bumps and trails!


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A little info on work. The new set up shaved three pounds off. The verical travle well be 12" inches and has a tire scrub of three inches thu out travle. the old front end had a center to center frotn to back of 63.5" and new has 63 ". the new width it 59" at sag. The stager is 110lb front and 210 lb rear non rider, 170 lb front rider and 270 lb rear with rider and fuel. New shocks will need to be 15.5 " long eye to eye center with a stroke lenght of 5.5 " the shock angle is 5 deg forward. Next step is to find shocks and make bump steer kit.


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So these are a arms that you made yourself?


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No. I did not make these their are a set I had in garage that I made fit. I wish I had the talant it took to make them. If I made them It would look like a popsikle stix conversion. I did do a lot of looking around befoe converting as welll as asking questions and checking out others machines. I do not even know if they will work untill I get done and test I hope nobody try to copy. If so do at there own risk. I just found it funny they fit so easy and thought I would share. If ya have any pointer and comments I always listen. I'am just a back yard hacker.


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Articulation pics without the steering and shocks hooked up don't tell me anything heh :shock:

Any detail pics of your tie rod setup?

How much wider than stock? Looks wide.

Honest usable travel is ?


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No tie rod set up yet. If no bump steer kit you will get 8" travle. No bump steer kit extend rod 2.5" and your done. New front end width tire to tire outside edge 59". Note: stock pilot is 59.5" over all width. These arms are available in a minus 2 and take it to 57" using same shock locatins only reducing travle slitly. Bump steer kit, cut old rods down and re thread to new lenght and make swevel kit and plate. No funky monkey kit. This will alow a longer shock giving it a full twelve with the shock spec I noted in previous post. I could go longer using a 16 " shock but its starts to bind things up. That is why I posted next step is to make bump steer and get shocks. One reason for using the wide set is to accodate the rear I will install. It will push out the rear + 4 to 62" The 3" scrub of the front should track well with the new rear. This set up will be dune only chasing Draks and LT pilots.

I have no intention of selling of tring to profit just shareing hoping to get feed back to make work properly. I also like to tinger and have fun doing it. Any body who chases draks and LT pilot are always looking for more travle and better brakeing.

Anything else, ask away I do my best to ansawer. Caster and camber setting will be posted as I proceed as well as turning radius and evaluation.

No bump steer shock info. 14.125 long eye to eye center with stroke 4" sag set at 1.125 ". Tire scrub 1.125 " Frame measure piont (Lower rear a-arm bolt) full topout 13.5" and full bottom 5.5"= 8" vertical travle. Thes were taken where the tie rod wheel to wheel rotate with 1/4" play from bar and bolt with 3 deg of bump steer. This was measured with a toe of plus 1".


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:30 pm 
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Great JOB!!!
The 4 arms are from a ???

Did you add the Hiem's to the top ones and left the bottoms with the steel tubing with a bolt thru it???

I am watching with both eyes!!! I am trying to get some inititive to rebuild my motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) and this might get me in a hurry!!! I want to come up and bring the ppe to compare notes!!!


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I like your press, boy those floor jacks have multiple uses. The pic with old arm on right and new one on left looks impressive. Hope it works out for ya at the dunes.


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really nice fab work ... you guys are making me want some A arms really bad.


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Any travel more than stock is a huge improvement up front same goes with the shocks, I am sure you will be real happy once your done.


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Thanks, I called works and they said they would built for $1,086.00 triple rate comp and rebound for the pair. Also ordered parts for bump steer. I will post mock up for Q and A as well as a little help.


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adnoh, I think your setup looks really good and you did a great job........ i was going to build a long travel kind of the same way until i bought the Revolt, the only thing i would do is bring your stock spindles, hubs, brakes, and wheels with you on your trips, i only say this because the spindle snout diameter on the quads are much smaller than the Pilot and myself and talking with others feel it might brake with the added weight of the Pilot, and i would hate to see you go on a trip somewhere and break a spindle and be stuck..... you could always throw the stock ones back on real quick and be playing again. i hope they don't break i just always like to have plan B..........


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Thanks, you make a good point. I will find or have set made to put stock hub on those arms. I will defenty have spare set on hand as well, the hubs are cheap compared to drive home sad.


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On the subject of roller bearings. Boss Bearings "DLR conversion" might be a nice touch to the hubs $60.00 to convert and better impact resistance. for those interested, www.Boss Bearing.com or (888) 400-2677. Any other Ideas. Thanks Rich.


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adnoh wrote:
Thanks, you make a good point. I will find or have set made to put stock hub on those arms. I will defenty have spare set on hand as well, the hubs are cheap compared to drive home sad.


its not the hub its the spindle snout (the metal stud pressed into the aluminum spindle) that the hub rides on, compare the diameter of the stock Pilot spindle snout to the quad aluminuminum spindle snout the quad is much smaller.

http://www.hardkorengineering.com/Resul ... %20TRX450R


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here is info on the hubs and a pic of the tapered bearings they use like on a car.

http://www.hardkorengineering.com/Resul ... 0/%20300EX


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Again Thanks. The new snout with the roller bearing set up would provide a stronger set up. With out them who knows I would msot likey be all bent up. Time to call hard core. Sounds like I owe you a cold one or two.


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I had posted info on front arm in woops 2. I will use woops for front. Here is the pic of the short side bump. I failed to address it previous post. The question was ask if I used bump for front arm mod.


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adnoh wrote:
I had posted info on front arm in woops 2. I will use woops for front. Here is the pic of the short side bump. I failed to address it previous post. The question was ask if I used bump for front arm mod.


I need more pic's!!! I have bought a real welder!!! Millermatic 130 and might get a 185 for bigger stuff... I have a feww ideas, but like looking at stuff and repeating it!!!


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Turbotexas wrote:
adnoh wrote:
I had posted info on front arm in woops 2. I will use woops for front. Here is the pic of the short side bump. I failed to address it previous post. The question was ask if I used bump for front arm mod.


I need more pic's!!! I have bought a real welder!!! Millermatic 130 and might get a 185 for bigger stuff... I have a feww ideas, but like looking at stuff and repeating it!!!


http://www.pilotodyssey.com/Hauss.htm better pics of the bump steer http://www.pilotodyssey.com/haussLT-2.htm

See how he changed the steering stem so its like the FL350..


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