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Author: | afastcar [ Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:23 pm ] | ||||
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a few more.
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Author: | litespeed [ Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:30 pm ] |
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I really like the color selection. The black looks great for the frame and the red for the suspension. Very cool! Tom |
Author: | azmonkey [ Fri May 02, 2008 3:00 am ] |
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Looking pretty sweet. Nice work. |
Author: | Turbotexas [ Fri May 02, 2008 11:18 am ] |
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That looks real good!!! I like the colors also!!! |
Author: | Nuke Em [ Fri May 02, 2008 1:23 pm ] |
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I agree, very nice. Can't wait to see some action vids. I can imagine that with black plastic and a red black widow hourglass! Gary |
Author: | shoubadaba [ Fri May 02, 2008 3:31 pm ] |
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Is that a stering stabilizer? If so could you take some pictures so I can see how you have it mounted. I'm working on a lt kit on my pilot and I think im going to need a stabilizer for mine as well. |
Author: | hoser [ Fri May 02, 2008 4:42 pm ] |
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shoubadaba wrote: Is that a stering stabilizer? If so could you take some pictures so I can see how you have it mounted. I'm working on a lt kit on my pilot and I think im going to need a stabilizer for mine as well.
How about some pictures of your suspension project? |
Author: | shoubadaba [ Fri May 02, 2008 8:38 pm ] |
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Stupid camera broke or someting. I cant get the thing to down load to my laptop now. |
Author: | afastcar [ Sun May 04, 2008 1:06 am ] | |||||
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Ok set up the ATVR long travel today some people where asking about it so im going to show how i do it, there are other ways i know but this is how i do it and it will get you square. first when you install the components you want to get them in the ballpark you don't want everything to out of whack you can get it pretty close with your eyeball. now i like to set the suspension where i think its going to be running most of the time, no sense in setting the buggy up at full static height where its never going to be running..... now this is a "GUESS" im guessing at this i could put sensors cameras and track the travel to be exact but this is a trail toy for fun and im guessing, after riding these for years i can tell you the front end is light and doesnt compress that much unless you hit a bump or go through whoops so why set up for that when your only in them for seconds, and i would say the rear runs at half travel most of the time. when i say setup i mean toe in and out, camber, caster, and wheel base not suspension travel, you want suspension travel for whoops and jumps but you don't care where the toe, caster, camber, and wheel base is for those few seconds you want all that set for the terain you ride 80% of the time. so next step i make struts to hold the suspension where i think its going to be running most of the time, the front shocks are 17 1/4" eye to eye extended with 5 1/2" of travel im guessing it runs most of the the time compressed at 2", so 17 1/4"-2"=15 1/4" that's what im making my front struts at, the rear is 30 1/2" eye to eye extended with 11" of travel im guessing it runs most of the time at 5" of travel so 30 1/2"-5=20 1/2" that's what im making my rear struts at. now if you don't like this way of doing it skip this part and leave the buggy at static height and follow the rest it will get you set.
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Author: | afastcar [ Sun May 04, 2008 1:40 am ] | ||||||
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Now you want to find a level spot to do the rest and make sure you set the tire pressure, now i like to work off jack stands it makes it allot easier, so i pick a spot on the frame with the angle finder with the car on the ground and write down the angle, that way when i put it on jack stands i can set the frame at the same angle by adjusting the jack stands. next, now i like to work like a book from top to bottom from left to right, so i start by setting the caster and camber on the left front, Niell said he likes 1 degree negative camber and 5 degrees positive caster, i set the front at 1/2 to 3/4 negative camber i like a little less, and 5 degrees positive caster, i like positive caster it makes the wheel drive into the ground when you back steer, transferring weight diagonally to the opposite rear wheel helping you save the buggy when your about to spin out, some dirt late model guys run +12 degrees caster but that's on a circle track and there turning left all day. now set the right front.
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Author: | afastcar [ Sun May 04, 2008 1:53 am ] | ||||
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now its time to set the toe, first if this had a rack and pinion i would center it but since its a fixed steering wheel you need to lock it down level, i used a pair of vise grips up against the steering stops, nothing worse than a steering wheel that's off. now that the wheel is locked straight i need to set the bump steer kit essentially it is nothing more than a drag link, Neill told me to draw a line through the upper and lower control arm mounts and center the tie rod mount in that line, so if you drew a line through them they would all be centered
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Author: | afastcar [ Sun May 04, 2008 2:20 am ] | ||||||
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now that the bump steer kit is set its time to set the toe, to do this i string the centerline of the chassis, to set the left front i run it parallel with the string (centerline of chassis) and lock it down, now to set the toe i measure across the front and back of the toe plates and always adjust my toe from the right front since the left is locked down. i like 1/8" to 1/4" toe out it gives you good feel in the wheel, running straight up or toed in makes the front end darty.
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Author: | afastcar [ Sun May 04, 2008 2:56 am ] | ||||
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now that the front is set i move to the left rear, to set the wheel base Neill doesnt have a exact measurement he goes by the shock if its rubbing the rear knuckle lengthen the trailing rod, you want good clearance so the shock doesnt rub i didnt get a pic of this i will add one later, then you just want to make sure each side is the same, the only fixed part on this whole kit is the lower control arms (which i think should have heims because the two pilots i have done this to where a little bent and the only way to get the wheel base straight is to adjust the rear trailing rods it would be nice to adjust a little on the front lower control arms to) now to measure the wheel base i go from the lower ball joint to the shock bracket on the rear knuckle making each side the same. then i string the left front to the left rear, so they are straight in line, this takes two people one person takes the string and hooks it to the front of the toe plate and pulls it tight at the rear of the buggy and moves the string in toward the buggy until it just touches the back of the toe plate ( this takes some getting use to so try it a few times you will get the hang of it, also pick the person with the steady hand) now the next person measures front to back of the toe plate until the measurements are the same, also you want to be watching the camber i like around 1/4 degree negative in the rear, it takes some time to get all three measurements right you will be turning the radius rods in and out a bunch but you will get it.
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Author: | afastcar [ Sun May 04, 2008 3:09 am ] | |||
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now that you have 3 sides set its time to finish the last corner, you want to set the wheel base by going from the lower ball joint to the shock mount on the knuckle, just make sure you pick the same 2 spots you used on the other side and set the measurement the same as the left side, now you want to set the toe and camber set the camber at a 1/4 degree negative like the other side and set the toe at zero by using the toe plates, and your done.............
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Author: | afastcar [ Sun May 04, 2008 3:21 am ] |
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Now after getting this all done shocks back on and back on the ground there is no way the rear will ride in the 5" compressed range like i guessed it is way to stiff, why would you have 11" of travel and only use 2 or 3"? it needs way softer springs..... |
Author: | Lonerider [ Sun May 04, 2008 8:18 am ] |
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Excellent write up so far, really learning alot and looking forward to learning even more...thanks.... |
Author: | hoser [ Sun May 04, 2008 9:29 am ] |
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Lonerider wrote: Excellent write up so far, really learning alot and looking forward to learning even more...thanks....
Ditto, great stuff, I need to let him do a alignment on the front of my Pilot.. The rear is not adjustable :-( |
Author: | afastcar [ Mon May 05, 2008 11:56 pm ] | ||||
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after taking the struts off and putting the shocks and tires back on and putting it back on the ground, i did not realize how much camber gain there would be in 5" of travel now that the buggy is at static height it gained 1 1/4 degrees of negative camber i don't like the way its sitting, i ordered new spring for the rear today, im going allot softer hoping to get more travel, so when they come in and i have the rear apart im going to put the rear struts back on and adjust the camber to 1/4 positive instead of 1/4 negative so it will take a 1/2 degree out at static height.
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Author: | FL670R [ Tue May 06, 2008 12:59 am ] |
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afastcar wrote: Now after getting this all done shocks back on and back on the ground there is no way the rear will ride in the 5" compressed range like i guessed it is way to stiff, why would you have 11" of travel and only use 2 or 3"? it needs way softer springs.....
So are you dropping the 125 lb tender springs down and getting different softer tenders like 100 lb ? Or are you replacing both ? This has come up a few times in the past and most everyone agrees that ATVR sets the LT up Way to Stiff... Looks great so far - thanks for the updates... |
Author: | afastcar [ Tue May 06, 2008 1:15 am ] |
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FL670R wrote: afastcar wrote: Now after getting this all done shocks back on and back on the ground there is no way the rear will ride in the 5" compressed range like i guessed it is way to stiff, why would you have 11" of travel and only use 2 or 3"? it needs way softer springs..... So are you dropping the 125 lb tender springs down and getting different softer tenders like 100 lb ? Or are you replacing both ? This has come up a few times in the past and most everyone agrees that ATVR sets the LT up Way to Stiff... Looks great so far - thanks for the updates... this has two 175lbs springs stacked, after using the swayaway calculator and reading some other posts i decided to go with a 150 on the bottom and a 95 on the top, it might still be to stiff but i was afraid to go to far. |
Author: | afastcar [ Tue May 06, 2008 11:37 pm ] | |||
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got the new springs in today so i redid the rear, after putting it back on jack stands and taking the tires off i bolted the toe plates back on to get a more accurate reading of the camber at static height, it gained more camber than i thought, with the struts on compressed at 5" i set it at 1/4 degree negative, and with the shocks on at static height it was at 3 degrees negative, so it gained 2 3/4" degrees of camber in 5", so i decided to split the difference i put the struts back on and set the camber at plus 1 1/4 degrees and then put the shocks back on and checked it, it came out to a little over negative 1 1/4 degrees, it sits much more to my liking now, and with the new springs it has more travel and feels softer, i wont be able to tell until we ride it for sure.
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Author: | afastcar [ Tue May 06, 2008 11:49 pm ] | |||
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i didnt have pics before but this is how i check the wheel base, i run the tape from the lower ball joint to the shock mount on the rear knuckle, checking both sides, the measurements should be the same if not your buggy is bent.
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Author: | afastcar [ Wed May 07, 2008 12:03 am ] | |||||
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if your buggy is bent you can find out where, if its the front or back, all you have to do is pick a spot on the frame that's the same on both sides and pull some measurements. i use the lap belt mounts they are in the same place on both sides and close to the middle of the buggy, i measure from the center of the lap mount to the center of the lower ball joint doing each side if the measurements are not the same you know the front is bent, to measure the rear i go from the center of the lap belt to the mount on the knuckle.
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Author: | afastcar [ Wed May 07, 2008 12:19 am ] | |||||||
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some pics of the plastic mock up.
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Author: | SICKSAND [ Wed May 07, 2008 12:57 am ] |
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Looks great,I will be doing a long travel kit on mine very soon.Besides the pilot what do you have into it,what kit is that on there?? |
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