I have yet to own an Odyssey and that is why i am here. I have been looking at Joyners but they want to much for to little. I have 2 girls that love the sand as much as i do. I hope to get an FL350 before i go to glamis in late January. We always go for superbowl. If you have some suggestions let me know. I am a honda virgin!! please help. My daughter has been looking online with me and is really excited to find one. She is willing to put all of her christmas money in on the deal. what everthat may be. Hope to hear from some of you. Hit me up for a ride I do glamis and dirt. I have a 4seater rail and at least 2 empty seats.

Welcome to the site this is the place for everything odyssey or pilot related. Glad to see more people from Socal. I'm in Upland about 35 miles from Long Beach. My family and I go out often to Glamis, Dumont,Johnson valley, All over socal. We have 4 pilots and odyssey with us. Your more then welcome to tag along any time.

A bunch of us are going to Glamis january 4th to the 9th. Look at the "trips & races" section and go under the "east meets west" thread for more info. I will be selling my wife's fl350 after the trip. If you go you can see it out there.

Let me know about your fl350, i am off the week before that. i am hoping to head up to glamis with my new neighbors. you can email me at paul_pisciotta@yahoo.com when you are ready to sell.

I researched the Joyners and other chinese karts before buying two FL350's last year. I live in Oklahoma City and we have a few Joyner dealers here. One particular dealer here carried Carter, Hammerhead,Kazuma, etc, then they started carrying Joyner. They told me that out of all the chinese karts they carried, the Team Joyner guys were easiest to deal with when to came to parts, TSB,s, service tech support. Ive seen a lot of Joyner buggys for sale at 50% off retail. We got the Hondas because..well "they're a Honda"!

well i found an old Kasea explorer . It is a single seater buggy with upgrades to the suspension and the best part of all.....A Honda 250 Engine in it. It is water cooled, electric start with reverse.I am hoping to pick it up next week when i get paid. My kids want to help out and put in 300 of there christmas money for the buggy. Just hope it is still there when i have the money. It is not posted on the internet so i have a good chance. If all goes well i will be posting pictures soon.

Was the original Engine swapped for a honda or is it "Honda like"?

He told me it is a Honda 250 Engine, water cooled with electric start. I don't know if it is from an Odyssey or just a regular Honda. That should still be good. I havnt picked it up yet. Next week i hope because he is going on vaction this week.

Just make sure its not the stock china crap. Do some research on the buggy. You don't want to be stuck with a china piece of crap and wish you would have just waited and bought a fl350. Have you been looking on craigslist? Whats your budget?

In my short-lived experience with the "China" karts...Unless the motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) has been swapped to a Honda its probably not a Honda, I went through that with a dealer who told me his 2006 "look alike" Trail 70's motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) was a Honda clone, but then trying to get parts for it were a nightmare, also lots of motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) running issues. Also all the peripherals like coil, starter, other electrical are not high quality. Its good the suspension on the Kasea was upgraded. Stand on the rear of the Kasea buggy, does the suspension compress?, I noticed a lot of the buggys you get at Pep Boys or "tool shops", it seems that the rear suspension is less than adaquete. If your girls are beginners, the FL250 Odyssey might be a good choice for the sand, even though there is no rear suspension, the ride in the sand wont be to hard on the girls unless they catch on real quick and want to keep up with the 4 seater , then you might want to get them a rail of thier own, LOL. Or just fit them into a FL350 Odyssey. We run the FL350's with the Honda Pilots and we all have a good time and no one gets left behind. At least with the Honda you wont be working on it all the time or waiting on parts that never seem to arrive, just from my experience. My son and I run our FL350's out at Little Sahara in OK. Most of the maintanace is preventative maintanace or just wanting to upgrade parts, that will keep the wallet empty . Good luck in your search and most of all HAVE FUN!

lets try this again, i saw only the pics and the Engine said honda. I will take a closer look when i have all the money. He will not budge on the price of 1200 and i do not want to drive 2hrs away with only 900 in my pocket. hope it is still there when i have all the money. IF not i have my eye on 2 250's that is about the same distance from me. just not the same direction or i would look at them all. will let you all know what happens and post pics when i get something.

stix.. i found out today that the Engine in the Kasea is a Kimco?? any info on that. He will not budge on the price. Think i should wait and save the money or go for an old fl250 with no rear suspesion. then again i am sure there is a way to make rear suspesion for the 250. the Kasea is under Orange Co. CL listed under 250 navigator if you want to check it out. I have no idea what to do. I just got a basket case suzuki 230 quad for 200.00 with brandnew holeshot tires and i want the next toy i get to run. I like the kasea suspension but the honda reliability, funny thing is i would rather buy a 20yr old bike than a new carter or roketa

Hello glamisbound.Since I havnt heard of Kimco so I cant make a judgement on that particular motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )). You could Google the Kasea Explorer karts and look through some forums on the models with the Kimco motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) to find out if its reliable.I agree on the 20 year old Honda over Carter and Roketa, while those brands are "best of the worst" and I hate to say "worst" because I know Carter makes a good kart however they just cant take the abuse like the Hondas can. Of course going into a 20 year old Honda there will be some parts to replace due to age and wear but once they are replaced, most parts are good to go for years to come. I have a friend that owns a cycle shop and carries the Joyner's( used to carry Carter), After chatting with him for a while he would always comment that the Carter, Hammerhead, Kasea,etc. type buggies look like you can jump in and "drive it like you stole it" but after a short while something always gives whether structural or electrical, I can honestly say that when I jump in my FL350 I drive it like I have a camera crew from COPS chasing me and it holds up rather well,my last mishap was a top end went out on me because I mixed my oil too lean, big mistake and I wont be doing that again . I have never owned a Kasea but I have read many posts reguarding the Kasea when I was researching this stuff a few years back and I would get a Carter before a Kasea. I understand that when money is tight, getting a FL250 and adding rear suspension sounds good but I bet you can find a FL350 for 1500 that runs, it might just take a while to find one in your area, plus you or your girl will be much happier with the FL350 upgrades from a FL250.Although most kids are pretty tough, I think your girl would be much happier with a FL350 and her hind end as well!! I live in Oklahoma City and I drove to Texas for one of my FL350's and then to Kansas to get the other,the miles we drive for our toys . I know hard decision , I wanted the Pilot over the Odyssey but I couldnt afford two Pilots. My son and I ridethe dunes at Little Sahara in Oklahoma and I don't think our bodies could handle riding the dunes all day with an FL250. The FL350's are a fine machine for the dunes, sometimes the sand gets choppy when there is no wind and I have heard from FL250 owners that its hard on the ol back. Just be sure to take in ya'lls riding style too, that could be the deciding factor. I can tell you I don't see many, if any chineese karts at the dunes, not sure why but Im sure theres a reason. Anyhow good luck and I hope I helped...Marc

O and one other thing. I noticed you stated you liked the fact that the Kasea had rear suspension,its probably not independant suspension. I drove a kart, cant think of the brand right now, i think it was a Roketa, it had the live axle non independant rear suspension, TERRIBLE, I think the suspension was more for looks than functionability, like that's all you needed to hear right! Well its good to have all the facts....Marc

Thanks Marc for all your info. I am going towards the 250 for now and maybe a 350 later. Who knows they might want quads next year but i doubt it. If the like the one seater idea we will then buy a 350 and then i can sell my 4 seater and build a long travel motorcycle powered rail. we have found a 250 we like. it has a full roll cage with panels and the front shocks are bigger than stock. He also installed a seat with shocks to help out on the ride. Need to look at that close for safety reasons. He has 3for sale and this seems to be his side job. They all have been striped down to the frame and repainted and assembled again. I will go over the bolts as i trust no one, even i miss stuff and that why i have friends check things out. Fresh eyes always helps. I will keep you all posted when i finally get something and will post pics.
"Gotta pay if you wanna play"

Im glad I could help. Sounds like you gotta a good handle on everything. Another thing to check on the FL250 with the upgraded shockey seat, Im not sure how the stock seat on the FL250 is set up reguarding a skid plate for the seat. The FL350's skid plate is built in to the seat, so when I replaced my stock seat with a more comfortable one, I had to fabricate a skid plate,before i installed the fabricated skid plate the only thing between my bum and the ground was about 2 inches of foam and some fabric.the skid plate was installed mainly in case I landed on a rock or tree stump so I wouldn't get a big surprise in the you know what. Ha, speaking of torqueing bolts...I bought an old camaro to restore a few years ago. After the restoration I "thought" I went over the entire car to check for proper torques, however I missed the crankshaft pulley bolts. Well about a year after the restoration I was tooling around my grandfathers neighborhood, about 30 miles from my home, when the last crankshaft pulley bolt came loose and fell out which caused the pulley to go flying into the radiator, damaged some stuff, man what a ride. I had to have it towed on a flatbed back to my house, quite embarrasing since all my neighbors were out to see the unloading process, LOL. Remember if you get the FL250 there is tons of information on this site about the 250's and any problems you might have, guys here are more than willing to help out. This forum has helped tremendously with the restoration of my FL350's. Just be sure to post questions in the Tech section. take care.

Well heres an FL350 for 1500 although I forgot you were near Arizona. Anyhow heres the link


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