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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:38 pm 
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I wonder what our three are like after 18 years and sitting out in the weather for at least two of those.....

At least they were in the high desert and not the bay area.


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In pic Dsc00094.jpg .. looks like the driven clutch is missing the forward drive slipper ?


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In pic Dsc00094.jpg .. looks like the driven clutch is missing the forward drive slipper ?


Yes it is, I will see whats up with that once I get driven apart, I think I will JB weld in the replacements.


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Lee here is the bearing separator and all the stuff I found behind the lower big gear you seen in other pics.


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hoser - is that the same trans that you waited so long for the new final shaft for? if so didn't you replace the bearings then?


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hoser - is that the same trans that you waited so long for the new final shaft for? if so didn't you replace the bearings then?


YES it is the same trans, NO I didnt change the bearings they are factory original.


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I used to run a fuel filter on all my trans vent hoses when I used to race GNCC and hare scrambles. It gives you a more time to get out of a water hole before filling your case and keeps all the sand and muck out. There are some aftermarket companies selling these now. They also work on carb overflow tubes.


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My trans bearings (6) and seals (3) came yesterday today was yard work day so hopefully tomorrow I will put my trans back together :-)

Thanks Service Honda for another parts order getting here ASAP I will find out if they sent the right stuff when I put it back together hehe


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Yup Service Honda sent all the right parts and my trans is assembled with all new bearings and seals.

I noticed damage to the torque clutch cover, the funnel that channels oil into the input shaft to supply oil, lube, cooling to the bushing on the primary drive gear, it appears when the input shaft bearing was bad (all balls gone) this allowed the shaft to angle enough where the outside of the torque clutch could rub the cover I assume this is when the tail end of the input shaft broke off the tip of the oil funnel.


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The oil flow path is the blue arrows the pink arrows is the JB weld repair I did.

Oil that is splashed and flung off the torque clutch (normal oil circulation) and runs down the outside of the torque clutch cover runs down and is channeled into the input shaft.

Missing the tip broke off the oil funnel might have created a oil starvation problem to the bushings causing a premature failure this is why its so important to study parts closely when doing a CSI.


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The oil flows into the right end of the shaft and is distributed out a hole in the shaft where it lubricates the bushings.


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This is the assembled input shaft and torque clutch the pink arrow is where the oil flows into.


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The trans has no oil pump like most gear boxes so it relies on the gears to carry the lube throughout the trans to cool and lube its internals, all over the trans you will see places where they provide a funnel affect to direct the oil to vital parts.


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More assembly stuff, another hoser orignal.... grease up the inside of the final shaft good, apply a big bead of silicone caulk to the stub shaft then grease the splines on the stub shaft, apply some grease on the trans where the silicone will contact so you can get it apart in the future then tap in the stub shafts, this forms a water tight seal keeping your stub shafts from rusting.


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hoser wrote:
My trans bearings (6) and seals (3) came yesterday today was yard work day so hopefully tomorrow I will put my trans back together :-)

Thanks Service Honda for another parts order getting here ASAP I will find out if they sent the right stuff when I put it back together hehe


So how long did it take Service Honda to ship the stuff ????

I just placed an order with Hillside Honda and they called back to say that
part # 91007-HE0-004 was now discontinued....

Boy I hope not - I guess I'd better see if Service Honda can get it since I see you just got the same part from them.....

Hum.....


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FL670R wrote:
hoser wrote:
My trans bearings (6) and seals (3) came yesterday today was yard work day so hopefully tomorrow I will put my trans back together :-)

Thanks Service Honda for another parts order getting here ASAP I will find out if they sent the right stuff when I put it back together hehe


So how long did it take Service Honda to ship the stuff ????

I just placed an order with Hillside Honda and they called back to say that
part # 91007-HE0-004 was now discontinued....

Boy I hope not - I guess I'd better see if Service Honda can get it since I see you just got the same part from them.....

Hum.....


Service Honda was fast, 3-4 days the stuff was here .

I just checked they says its still a good number I would try them .
" 91007-HE0-004 BEARING (62/32) $ 17.60"

I lost all faith in Hillside Honda I no longer do any business with them, things and people have changed their including their prices they keep jacking with our good guy discount, they no longer have any people in parts that care about the customers like Joe and Trevor use to care, I got the impression from guys like jake they wanted off the phone ASAP so they could go out back and burn one, I was left feeling I was a burden to them, after many orders from Service Honda all I can say is 2 thumbs up!!
Middle finger up to the new mutts at Hillside!

Why you inside a Pilot trans?

What Pilot you into?

Debating on installing that 583 in mine for a test run :shock: but I don't feel like messing with the exhaust again, wonder if Alain still has any 583 pipes left over from the Drakarts hmmm


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Not in any trans yet...

Just buiding up a little parts supply for future projects...
Got a couple pilot basket cases that will most likely need some new parts

If Alain can't help you out talk to Jasson (formly of Hawk Motorsports)
He seems to be a great person to deal with...

If you need his email PM me...

PS
after seeing your bearing fail I wanted to have a spare for the 670 also

Later
Dennis


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FL670R wrote:
Not in any trans yet...

Just buiding up a little parts supply for future projects...
Got a couple pilot basket cases that will most likely need some new parts

If Alain can't help you out talk to Jasson (formly of Hawk Motorsports)
He seems to be a great person to deal with...

If you need his email PM me...

PS
after seeing your bearing fail I wanted to have a spare for the 670 also

Later
Dennis


Any pics of the basket case Pilots?

Normally when I change the oil in the Pilot trans you see a metalic hue in the oil, no particles you can feel but with a bright light you can see them, its almost like someone added pearl to the oil, I assume this hue over the years added wear to the bearings? Good idea stocking up on the bearings I should probably buy another set myself for future use.


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hoser wrote:
Any pics of the basket case Pilots?


Well you've seen one first hand since you delivered it...

The second one makes most basketcase machines look like a jewel...

Here are a couple picts of it....

Later
Dennis


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FL670R wrote:
hoser wrote:
Any pics of the basket case Pilots?


Well you've seen one first hand since you delivered it...

The second one makes most basketcase machines look like a jewel...

Here are a couple picts of it....

Later
Dennis


Yeah I remember the first one, where did you find the second one, it come with anything other than whats shown in the pics?


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Somewhere in Western Iowa
Don't remember the little town's name right now.

It only came with what ya see and a stock honda line front bumber...
It appears it was in a shed that caught fire...

All the plastic melted off of it, he still had the motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) but wanted more than I would consider reasonable for it...

I got it mostly for the four good stock rims, drive train, and tranny...

It was dirt cheap...


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want anything for the frames?


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Twilight wrote:
want anything for the frames?


Sorry - Not really looking to sell

I'm thinking I will split it down the middle and convert it into a two seater...

Later
D


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hoser wrote:
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hoser wrote:
My trans bearings (6) and seals (3) came yesterday today was yard work day so hopefully tomorrow I will put my trans back together :-)

Thanks Service Honda for another parts order getting here ASAP I will find out if they sent the right stuff when I put it back together hehe


So how long did it take Service Honda to ship the stuff ????

I just placed an order with Hillside Honda and they called back to say that
part # 91007-HE0-004 was now discontinued....

Boy I hope not - I guess I'd better see if Service Honda can get it since I see you just got the same part from them.....

Hum.....


Service Honda was fast, 3-4 days the stuff was here .

I just checked they says its still a good number I would try them .
" 91007-HE0-004 BEARING (62/32) $ 17.60"


Well my package just came from Service Honda (Took 7 days)
Guess what...

91007-HE0-004 - DISCONTINUED... CRAP

You might of just gotten the last one... (A week ago)

Well I guess we'll have to look for an alt source now....


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Service Honda was fast, 3-4 days the stuff was here .

I just checked they says its still a good number I would try them .
" 91007-HE0-004 BEARING (62/32) $ 17.60"


Well my package just came from Service Honda (Took 7 days)
Guess what...

91007-HE0-004 - DISCONTINUED... CRAP

You might of just gotten the last one... (A week ago)

Well I guess we'll have to look for an alt source now....


Their site still showing its a good number must need updated?

You could call Service Honda Parts 800-828-5498 and ask if they can cross reference the number or just go to a local bearing house.


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