Tpreed wrote:
What can you expect when someone chooses profit margin over people?
I would love to be able to say that this kind of thing isn't my battle, but it's the collective apathy of many that allow people like you to continue as you do, Rooky/Hoodlum or whoever you are. Who you are doesn't matter, it is the abstract principle of you, your mannerisms, and lack of intellectual tact. It's not just how you effect ones safety, or checkbook. It is how you effect their trust an opinion in their fellow man. The effect you have on them manifests these opinions and may cause them to cyclicly produce the same behavior that you did on to them. You are part of a cycle. You are the problem with all of humanities macrocultural flaw. I would say, a perfect example.
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Actually you followed me there.They already had you figured out before I said anything......
By the way what the heck is a "shill"?
Hoodlum
(With a u not an e.)
I notice that you ignored Hoser's post other than the mispelling of
your alias. This makes sense because you seem to only worry about yourself or your image than the safety of others. If you actually had a real argument against Hoser or Turbo or anyone else, you would not be simply picking out the flaws in their typing or redundant indiscrepancies. This is called "Red Herring", an argumentattive fallacy. The use of such fallacies are signs of low intelligence, or possibly just the complete disregard for intellectual interaction. Politicians use this to deflect questions that threaten their "loose ends". Look it up if you like, but first make sure to check my spelling for any exploitable flaws.
Your lack of concern for both individuals and intellectual principle is fairly evident. I will give you an ultimatum or principle. What is your actual rebuttal to the accusations above. . (That is if you care to even argue, if your distrust in people is strong enough maybe you feel no conscious responsibility for people you haven't met?) I don't want to hear your adolescent deflections. I want to hear your actual argument.
Here are your choices. (Circle one if you want to print this out and show your family via refrigerator)
A. Deflect (arrogance and cowardice)
B. Ignore (cowardice alone)
C. Argue with lies (arrogance and disrespect for morality)
D. Admit Wrongs (wisdom)
E. Argue with facts (wise but unlikely a winning argument)
Whichever path you choose is most likely a signature of your character. You have a choice. Not just to people of the Pilot Odyssey community, but to yourself and everyone you effect on a daily basis. Oddly enough this is the reality that you must take to your grave. This is who you are. You use our anger towards you to allow yourself the luxury of feeling like a victim. This way you can justify your shitty business practices. sad.
It's always a rough life when everyone else can see through your shit and you cannot see through your own. I predict regret in your future. I predict a severe midlife crisis where you can't seem to find external meaning.
Where do you fit in withing the greater schema of the world. What is your function here? I could make many predictions about your nature. I assume you believe in a cultural god only to please the ones around you socially, but you do not feel a connection with god or a higher power. I assume deep down inside you don't dig to deep into your bigger questions about life and existence. I will also assume that if you somehow did, you curb your reasoning to suit yourself. I bet you construct the image of god and what god implies for morality to suit yourself. Selfishness is much more than not wanting to share a toy. It can be a measure of intention. It can be glimpse of simple will.
I again ask you to face my ultimatum from above. NO politician answers. This wont be a game where we try to manipulate tpreed into losing his focus. I will not be swayed with garbage reasoning.
You know Tpreed,I have been accused so many times of being a spy and a thief,etc.,that I have totally given up on any idea of being sociably intellectual with Hoser...As for others,I am nothing more than respectful unless they desire to be less than that with me..It is an absurd idea that I in any way work for Steve as I have been accused so many times of doing...The only connection I have with him is the front kit,and a few sets of works shocks,and and a front bumper,I don't have any complaint at all with them...He may have at one time made some defective products,but I haven't been victim to any of them,so I can't say anything negative about my dealings with him...It seems that it is being held against me because I don't slam on him like most here do...The shocks I purchased from him work very well,as does the front kit,and I can say nothing less than that...I have seen the videos many times,but that's it...Videos...I have had no ill dealings with him at all...The only person I had bad experiences with was Randy at
http://www.pilotodyssey.com/PO/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16721 at oddy salvage,but chose not to push the issue...Even many have heard of the situation that I choose not to get into,they refused to give him the same publicity as someone that they have had bad dealings with,and I don't see that changeing...
As for my opinion of fellow man,I give respect where it is due...I am not the one that is already,after a short time, being threatened with being banned from such rzr board,and the reason that threat has been made to Hoser was exactly for that reason...A total lack of respect for people,and being somewhat rude in his presentation...I picked out the typo errors out of humor,because I find this "darkside" thief thing just that...Humorous,and something as immature as that deserves a post with the same amount of immaturity...
I have a very high respect and concern for individuals and principles...I also have a concern for safety and the worthiness of money spent on a product...I took the time to try and help Turbo,and would help anyone that needed it...I know that my kit works very well,and have shot requested video to support my claims about it...With that being the case,it tells me that the others are doing something different than myself,and therefore their issues can be resolved,but when I would try,it would always turn into a pissing match with name calling,so I stopped...
For your analagy....I have never deflected any issue directed at me,nor any question asked me....
It is hard for me to argue with lies,when the claimed lies haven't been lies at all to me...I have never argued the fact that those nerfs and bumpers were crap,because I never had them,but I do know the kit,shocks,and bumper I have (had) for the bumper,were not crap,and would be lieing if I said they were,just to make others happy...
As for admitting wrongs,admitting wrongs that I don't see as wrongs is actually fitting in that coward catagory...It's called giving in to please the masses,which is about as cowardly as you can get...
As for argueing with facts,what facts would that be?I never argued with anything factual...I didn't argue with the fact that Turbo's steering locked up...I believe it did...The only arguement I have is that it is a result of a faulty design...If it were the design,mine would be locking up as well...The fact is,it is adjustment issues,and Hoser continuously argued that fact to the point I stopped trying to help...
As for believing in God,I do,very strongly,and try to ask myself many times how he would handle certain situations...I believe that he has a sense of humor,(just look around)just like most of us,and I believe that when stupid things have gone way overboard,with little hope of recovery,he would be the first to have a sarcastic nature towards them...I believe he has a plan for us that we are expected to follow,and I believe that we have to follow it,not change it to match our needs,as you imply that I do...I also believe,no I know,that he is a forgiving God...If that wasn't the case,we would all be screwed...I don't believe that he expects to prove ourselves before he gives us that forgiveness...I don't believe he holds grudges for years..I actually don't think he holds any grudges period...I also think if he did,it wouldn't be expressed by name calling and childish agendas......With this being said,I think there should be some Godly comparisons here instead of just towards me...The grudges held here,if not related to steve,are related to the old p/o board,which has broken friendships that were strong for a long time...This is an absolute shame and totally immature...
I am not prejudice,and I am not arrogant by far...I am a very humbled person as a matter of fact...I am very grateful with what has been allowed to me,and I refuse to brag or take credit for any of it...I just try to enjoy it,since it may all be gone tomorrow...Who knows...I even made a suggestion to help Hoser with the air intake on his rzr,but that wasn't good enough...He already had all the answers as usual...He didn't bother to post that thread...I was completely cordial to him,only to be blown off like I didn't know what I was talking about....So be it...
I never come here to cause trouble,but in return,I don't expect to be treated like an idiot either...I am not an enemy,and invite anyone to come ride with me and drive my pilot for yourself...That isn't possible for some because they will be subject to the scrutiny of dealing with the darksiders,and afraid of the same criticism and negative vibes that we get...That keeps us apart,which is totally the agenda that Hoser desires...None of them here,and none of you guys there....That is absolutely childish and criticiseable behavior...Therefore I treat it as such...
I hope this has answered your questions..
Hoodlum
My questions are answered. Very respectable reply. I'm glad to see you had it in you.
I have a confession to make. I only used your possible construction/idea of god as a provocation technique. In order to get a baseline of who you are as a person I would need to manipulate(sorry) that specific response. What would be a better way to do that than to make generic assumption about your beliefs. Yes, this probably all seems very manipulative and sociopathic, but I am a fan of chess. Maybe I watch too much House M.D.
And you'll soon see everything." - If you know where this is from than I see you have been reading.
I just needed to get a glimpse into your soul. So thank you for providing me with the information I needed for my next step. (sorry if this all seems condescending, there is no other method for my madness, especially when determining the nature of a man over the internet)
One small contradiction in all of this. What role did you have in the past with any type of unfair product, information, or bias? Hoser wouldn't start in on you unless you did something to truly deserve it. I suspect he doesnt hold a grudge because of a one or two time ordeal. I suspect he holds a grudge that is ongoing, nagging, persistant. A grudge that would only be fresh from day to day if It were something that could make that past flaw present. I suspect it is some degree of dishonesty that he is bothered by. There is no way all of the people hoser helps on here are simply to save face. Think very hard. What was it that you did that (no matter how big or small) ignited the wrath of hoser? I cannot imagine hoser as a bully. I imagine hoser as the kid that beats up the bullies every day for the rest of their lives, as an example to future bullies. Where does your guilt lay? What is your initial "PilotOdyssey" sin? So far I can only assume that Hosers actions speak louder than your words. If what you say is the true story I would have a difficult time believing all the good things he does on here are just to "save face".
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