Immigration reform?

Whats this immigration reform actually all about I havent followed it all that close but from what I understand "reform" = change immigration laws, the reason why they want to change immigration laws is to accommodate the more than 11 million illegal immigrants that has flocked to our country through our mostly unguarded borders.

It seems to me rather than spend years and billions of dollars trying to make new laws that nobody can currently agree on they simply just need to enforce the current immigration laws.

The government says we have about 11 million unemployed the government says we have about 11 million illegal immigrants, do the math see the solution, deport all the illegals we did this before back in 1953 FOR THE SAME REASON Google "operation wetback" .

If we really needed 11 million workers to fill jobs here in the USA why do we limit how many immigrants can enter the USA each year to 25,000? If we were suffering a manpower shortage why didnt they just increase the numbers of LEGAL immigrants and work permits, why didnt we simply use the CURRENT LAWS and bring the immigrants into this country LEGALLY?

Each year the amount of illegals goes up, Americans that cant get a job ride out unemployment to the bitter end then go on welfare and watch the illegals who took their job work, the latest is to file for total disability with Social Security people who cant get work are going out on a permanent section 8.

MOST the illegals are working for cash, shame on them greedy business owners who are not paying taxes, do they even have workman's comp insurance for them?

Government does nothing to business owners when they catch them employing illegals, the fines are nothing and their is really nothing to keep business owners from doing it again, the profits far exceed fines or penalties.

Government wants to make a path to citizenship for the 11 million illegals, what happens then does the government start getting payroll tax from these 11 million?

Government has not addressed the border control problem the root cause of the 11 million illegals they are going to change laws for so soon as you make these 11 million LEGAL whats to stop another 11 million illegals from flocking to the USA and taking away the jobs from the 11 million YOU JUST MADE LEGAL you really think employers that currently employ the illegals wont hire them since they will work for LESS than the illegals you just made legal?

Where does it all stop?

Spare me all the lame excuses like Americans will not work the jobs the illegals are working that is 100% lies and bullshit.

For example I laugh when I hear these morons say "who will pick your vegetables" Americans will perhaps that head of lettuce that cost me .75 should actually cost me 3.00 so the pickers can earn a LIVING WAGE, how much is that same .75 head of lettuce costing me when you factor in the cost of millions living on welfare, unemployment and taking a section 8 retirement with Social Security not to mention all the FREE health care these illegals been receiving and all THE TAXES THEY HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING, a 3.00 head of lettuce is looking cheap to me.

Since their is little to no penalty for using illegal immigrants over the years it has become very popular and they are no longer taking just fruit picker jobs they are taking the good jobs and LOWERING THE STANDARD OF LIVING for all the LEGAL AMERICANS with each job they take.

I can ride out this illegal immigrant problem regardless what the government does I will not live long enough to see it reach critical mass I feel sorry for the next generation just think where we would be now if they never implemented "Operation Wetback" back in 1953....

Like I said I havent followed this real close but must be missing something the government has taken a real simple problem of enforcing current laws (border control and deporting illegals) and made it a very complex and expensive problem so complex nobody can come to any agreement on "reforming" immigration.

In my level of construction American are losing jobs due to the immigration laws. Many a time a hear of a fella being replaced. Shame.

Google Gang Of Eight Immigration Bill Being Crafted, But Senators Remain Quiet pick the news source of your choice.



shouldn't they be brainstorming on how they can get current laws enforced? The system is only broken because they are NOT enforcing current laws.

But hoser..... "Those poor Mexicans" blah blah blah. Problem is people got too much sympathy for others. Got sympathy for the people who are destroying our system. I heard the other day they're letting/ or will be letting the illegals get drivers licenses now. Can't pay taxes but they can have the benefits of America while sending all our money back to Mexico.

and if I wana go to Las Vegas with $3000 in my pockey or to washington state for cheap gas the clowns want a passport, drivers licence, retna scan and anal probe. Fkin clowns. Need to paint my face with shoe polish and hire a lawyer to sue.

Documented proof they are NOT enforcing current laws so whats the point of more new laws are they going to enforce them?

Its fairly simple to fix the problem. U start by rounding up the illegals and throw them in work camps like the sheriff in az. U work their ass,s off in said camps so its not a pleasurable exp. U set the fine for being here illegally at say 1000 bucks and c how quick their families come up with the money to pay the fine then use the fine to cover the transportation costs to deport them back where they came from. Alot of these people save to pay a coyote to bring more family here let them pay to send them home.

Right now their is a big push to make changes to our immigration laws the players are really trying to ram this shit through fast, check out the problems the UK has had with their immigration mainly allowing too many into the country.



Were trying to change our immigration laws to accept all the losers who could not get a job in their country, this policy of a pathway to citizenship looks like a race to the bottom for the USA to me. I am the type who likes to learn from others mistakes when ever possible, David Cameron is discussing their lessons learned in the news and wants laws changed to protect the UK from further damage, looks like they are trying to undo the exact same shit our current pro immigration reformers are trying to make law, accept any POS that can cross the border.

PLEASE follow this link and read the rest it spells out the current problems the UK is trying to fix I see it as the problems the USA will be facing soon $$$$$$
http://www.itv.com/news/story/2013-03-2 ... mmigration

Immigration Minister: The UK is not a 'free for all'

The USA should not be turned into a free for all either...

Mccain is the shit head ramming this trash threw. ILLEGAL ALIENS They should be tarred and feathered when found. In California they are like fleas on a mangy dog, they run around with the buzard flag of mexicant. The thing is none of the people ramming this crap down our throats have to compete with these illegal bastards for jobs and they don't have to live with them either. I have a big decal on the back window of my F 350 that is red white and blue and says USA WE SPEAK ENGLISH! I park it right by the door at work where half the work force is illegal alien mexicant and I know that sticker drives them nuts. illegal aliens have forced me to be something I have never been before, a racist! I have a burning hate for those illegal alien invaders and that is exactly what they are doing is invading and occupying the USA with out firing a single shot and our politicians are smiling and allowing it to happen. America will never recover from this invasion and I cannot for the life of me understand how they can want to give these law breakers amnasty and citizenship on top of itAND LETS LET THEM VOTE???? What kind of citizen breaks all kinds of laws like illegal aliens do?? Los Angelas has the highest hit and run numbers in the nation, it is these illegal bastards that drive against the law on top of all the other laws they break every day and all we hear from elected fools they are good hard working people?? I don't know any good people that break laws rape kids drive with out a license and drunk to boot, hit and run steel peoples ID lie and cheat every day of there life, Yes I live in California and I hate illegal aliens

IMO your NOT a a racist! Your defending what is yours and want to follow its laws people use the term racist when they have no defense, no answers, no position and are scared, someone calls you a racist walk up to them poke them in the eye tell them to think about that for a while before they speak again.

I would be talking to your employer.

I have never been faced with that problem, working for a employer that hired a illegal but I am sure I would be making calls and telling them "they go or I go" I could never work for someone helping destroy the USA.

The push to force acceptance of the illegals is all about the money you think your employer is paying them full wages and benefits, think he is paying workers compensation insurance on the undocumented workers you know how much money that saves the employer, the employer is playing the hooray for me and f=ck you game he is worried about how much money he can make and could care less about the future and damages beyond his little world all he knows is whats in his pocket each week they have plenty of excuses too how they would be out of business if they didnt use illegals bla bla bla

To fix the problem all we need to do is enforce the current laws, deport them drop them off on the other side of mexican southern border let them try to get back into their own country.

Was reading a story the other day where border control caught 4 mexicans crossing the border with 8 chinese illegals coyotes are bringing them in too never read a follow up n the story they were concerned the chinese were here to do things other than work earn and live.

I have tried to follow the money to see where all the money is coming from to pay the lobbyist with no luck, its agenda driven for sure and that takes lots of money...

I have to smile when a friend of mine reminded me of an instance up here in Nevada at a couple of Reno Mickey D's. The restaurants were staffed by illegal scum sucking bastards from hell. Someone called the INS and around 100 illegal scum were busted and damn I hope were deported.

By buddy told me the owner received a 250,000 dollar fine! The local Mayor of Reno started crying foul because the agencies involved were using Gestapo tactics! He is another that should be booted out of the country!

We need to secure our southern boarder and keep the plague from crossing! F@#k the Liberal bleeding heart bastards who want amnesty or citizenship for illegals!

Rand

"the Liberal bleeding heart bastards who want amnesty or citizenship for illegals!"

that's the problem this is way past just Liberal bleeding heart bastards and deep into all others and I am not sure why, has to be the money? Look at all the non Liberal bleeding hearts pushing to reform the immigration laws.

The Liberal bleeding heart bastards has been pushing for this since day one simply because they feel if any human is going to be worked and the employer is going to make money off them then the workers legal or illegal should have the rights to all the benefits of a documented worker or a citizen of the USA, its just their way of getting back at the greedy people who hire them.

All I know is its lowering the standard of living for the middle class and lower class, its a race to the bottom for many while a few profit.

We don't need to reform immigration laws just enforce them.

I'm all in for the aforementioned Gestapo "current law" enforcement tactics. Round em up and send em back! Operation wetback here we come!

Rand

It is all smoke and mirrors......really......

The easiest, most logical answer would be to hold those making the laws (the politicians, public servants, whatever you want to call them) accountable for every self serving decision being made.....


I guarantee you that if the politicians in office, from the president on down were to actually be held accountable, either thru the loss of their job (I know if I made enough bad decisions, I would lose mine)....or had fines levied against them for not enforcing the current laws.......things would be different.

Right now, politicians are not worried about doing the right thing, or upholding the laws, but are more worried about getting more votes for the next election, they do not care where those votes come from......

just my 2 cents....

Arizona fought it for a while I kinda lost track how that's working out last I remember they were fighting the issue of "profiling" far as I am concerned that is the place to start.

Make a new federal law that ALL law enforcement officers must take a class and pass a class that teaches profiling.

When a serial killer is being sought first thing they do is build a profile on the suspect so it should apply to everybody on the planet not just serial killers.

A simple federal law that states any person inside the borders of the USA is subject to questioning and showing proof of identity.

Once you get those two taken care of continue with enforcing existing immigration laws.

First time someone complains about funding first take the money noboma is using to fly all over the planet when that runs out take the rest of the funds right off the top of our defense budget always seems to be a abundance of cash their.

What about the rest of America and AMERICANS don't we count, we are only taking care of Big business and labor

Big business and labor have struck a deal on a new low-skilled worker program, removing the biggest hurdle to completion of sweeping immigration legislation allowing 11 million illegal immigrants eventual U.S. citizenship, labor and Senate officials said Saturday.

WHY do we want "low-skilled workers" in the first place in the UK they are changing their immigration laws right now so they can only attract the best of the best.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/business ... ion-bill-0

Why is their just a "Gang of 8' Senators " doing this deal

Was flipping around the news seen Senator Lindsey Graham on FOX news he is part of that gang of 8 morons trying to make a reform deal he said in his state they have jobs they can only fill with illegals the jobs are open and nobody will ever take them but illegals.

Never said how many jobs fit this description
Never said what type of work
Never said how much they are offering to pay the workers
Never said if they are full time or part time jobs

So we have this moron trying to set policy for all 50 states based on what his local needs are?

We are going to accept 11 million illegals because he cant fill a few jobs?

Nobody to ask him questions just let him babble on .

Sounds like he is pandering to business owners wanting to revive the old slave days and use modern slaves to profit from?


What a crock of shit.

Contrary to the Obama administration's claim the border has never been more secure, high-ranking Border Patrol officials in Texas are considering the need for a "tent city" because of a surge of illegal immigrants in the Rio Grande Valley.

The wave of illegal immigrants, many from Central America, appears to be an unintended consequence of the debate raging in Washington over an immigration bill. In interviews after being apprehended, immigrants say federal budget constraints and expected amnesty or legalization for those already living here make it a no-lose proposition

"We've seen a 500 percent surge in the amount of activity from August to December of last year," Janice Kephart, of the Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies, told Fox News

Read the whole thing http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04 ... y-experts/

'Gang of Eight' sets cutoff date for citizenship under immigration deal

Any undocumented immigrant who entered the country after December 31, 2011, will not be eligible for citizenship under terms of the immigration deal set to be unveiled Tuesday by the bipartisan "Gang of Eight" senators, a Senate aide told CNN on Saturday



WTF

If they are "undocumented " how are you going to prove they entered the country before December 31, 2011?

Eight people setting up these new policies why are we spending billions paying all these other representatives when all we need is these 8 morons to fuk it up for us?

amen hoser im sick and tired of hearing their bs bout immigration reform when its always a stupid answer. the first thing i thought of when i heard bout the date they put on that was how the hell r u gonna prove when some 1 was here when they r UNDOCUMENTED. so which is it, r the politicians that f'n stupid or do they think we r.

Immigration Reform Cost 6.3 Trillion Monday, May 6, 2013

http://patriotupdate.com/2013/05/6-3-tr ... on-reform/




I say we take a Trillion dollars today and tighten up our borders, then round up all the illegals and deport them save the tax payer about 5.3 Trillion dollars.

Their is about 11 million unemployed Americans
Their is about 11 million illegal immigrants
Unemployment is about 7.6%

"Operation Wetback" worked perfect in 1954 for the exact same reasons time to revisit this policy again today, why reinvent the wheel why not use a proven solution?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

They need to quite calling it "immigration reform" and start calling it for what it really is: "illegal immigration accommodation".

Make them citizens so they can suck on our tax dollars for welfare, EBT cards, school-lunch programs, Obama phones, free college, not carry any auto insurance, fill up our overflowing prisons even faster, etc...and none of them will own any land, hence none of them will pay any prop taxes?

Sounds like a sound plan to me!! Its completely laugh-able, man!!!

Trick them...tell them they need to "come into the office to get their full honored citizenship and booster shots". And then slam the doors on that 53' trailer and haul their low-life asses DEEP across the border, where they can be tracked with the "booster shot", aka: microchip, when they try to cross again.

Obama phones = Ronald Regan phones Ronald Regan implement these.

Place blame where it belongs.

Actually called the “Lifeline program,” the legislation permits some households to receive a free landline under Congress’s rationale that "telephone service provides a vital link to emergency services, government services and surrounding communities."

That idea dates back to 1934, under the Communications Act, but Reagan was the first to actually implement the legislation. The program grew under President Clinton, who recognized the advent of the newfangled new technology of cordless phones and expanded it to include cell phones.

To qualify for the program you must live in a household with an income near the poverty line or be already qualified for other assistance programs like public housing or food stamps.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/cellphone.asp

Be careful who you let do your thinking for you

Bush said the same bullhockey. They are only doing job nobody else wants. Pres and his horde is worse. Free phones free health care free digital antana adapter for the older tv's. Mean while
poor working folks like us carry the burden. Land of USA is great. But I agree the politicians
are paid whores not by us by the lobbiest. Yes if they do not do their job vote em out fire them.
But when those that arent working don't pay taxes want the freebies grow dope and destroy our
national parks out weigh us of course they out weigh us in the liberal scales. Watch what happens
when the immagrants become leagle eagles and uncle sam takes money out of their pockets like
they are doing to us they wont be as liberal anymore.
Why would our senators and represenitaves do what they
are doing, are we beyond the point of no return on the premises of becoming a 3rd world country.
It keeps going the way it is there will be haves and have nots. I know which catagory I will land in.
I have worked very hard for what i have and I do not mind paying my taxes when my tax dollers
are well used unlike today. Why would they devalue the doller? Pretty soon It will not be worth the paper it is printed on litterally. Do a little reserch on these 2 . NAU Amero. It all will make sense then.
What do you do to try and move socialism in crash the market bring in new curriency at a lower rate,
take our guns don't worry uncle sam will take care of you not quite in that order. I do not mean to
be doom and gloom but if something doesent change they will spend us to death. anybody know how much we really owe china? What happens when we don't pay them? Good questions I wish we could
get the real answers the actual truth. When you first meet a politician ask if hes honest 9 to 1 he will say yes I tell you hes a liar. Nuttin but a political whore. Bought and paid for . Get to know youre neighbors and be active in youre community churches you will need those resources not the goverments .