Don't see this very often.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HONDA-FL400R-PI ... fresh=true

Anyone know who is selling?

Not me.

I sold a brand new one to a member a year ago and UPS lost it I keep thinking it will show up someday. It wasn't this one though the one I sold had black cv joints.

So how much did an axle sell for from honda?
He wants 300 bucks for a rear hub also,which seems extremely high but I don't know what they sold for new

E bay gouging capital of the world. As Nitrosport found out these green axle assembles are not the same as the black original equipment that came on the pilot, even if honda says they are. the snap ring groove in the stub axle is in another location compaired to a original axle assembly, not such a big deal on a stock suspended pilot but when wheel travel is added these outer cvs will NOT work when things are close to the edge. I spent nearly a hundred dollars sending him a number of different rear arms, he kept telling me the axles were to short when I knew 100 percent that they were the right length till it was discovered these do not match! the groove is well over a quarter of a inch off from a stock stub axle. he had the parts from one of these on only one side, the BAD side that would not fit. Over a thousand dollars, what a rip off, as if he has gold or something. what a joke. I have to ask why anyone would need to buy one of these for a stock pilot? The axles could work on a M1 tank and the cv joints are indestructible on a stock pilot with stock wheel travel. Just askin.

Dave, I thought the green cv axles are for the 90 pilot and the black ones are for the 89 pilot. I believe the snap rings are different sizes. I think the 89 had smaller ones and the 90 received snap rings that were a little bit thicker. I don't think you can mix and match them. Maybe this is why nitrosport had problems? I also think the groove that the snap ring goes into for each year are a bit different in regards to the location, possibly 1/8" difference?

I have seen some fail. Don't know if it was bad material, abuse or what. Hoser replaced his in his thread "800 reasons" "http://www.pilotodyssey.com/800reasons.htm

I have one in my shop that will tick when the pilot is rolled.

I have never heard of the difference in the groove location, but I have heard of the difference in the groove/clip thickness. Honda shows them as the same part number, but we know they made some changes as there are 2 different size clips. I will check mine for groove location and post back.

I know there is only one final that these snap into - so why would Honda change the grove location???????

Here are some pics I found. I think one cv cup is an 89 and the other is a 90.

I looked at my green painted axles on the shelf and the groove is in the same place as the black painted axle I have.

I do recall the cir-clip diameter changing based in VIN not Year. I'm pretty sure I have a printed document about it some place, but I can not find it.

I am NOT talking about that groove, I am talking in the wheel cv stub axle as they are called. Since Nitrosports problem I have looked at 3 other green cv assembles that my friend has sitting in his garage and we knocked them apart and the groove is NOT in the same place as the black. Again I am talking the wheel stub NOT the trans stub. Believe me, I spent a bunch of money in shipping, built 2 more arms trying to rectafie a problem that that turned out to be this. The 3 others are the same way. I have done long travel on a a number of 90 pilots, NONE had green cv cups on them and I had no issues with them. Nitrosport is the one who tried using one of those green assymblies as parts for his long travel and it did not work. I have 2 1990 pilots of my own sitting in my garage and they have black Cv assymblies on them. What makes you guys think that is a 1990 axle this guy is selling? just asking, the only green axles I have ever seen in person is the 3 my friend has. Not once have I had one come on a pilot to do long travel on!

What groove on the outer? Do you mean the groove on the end of the axle that goes inside the outer?

IF you have ever had the outer cv joint apart you will see a groove for the snap ring on the axle to sit into on the cv , that groove is in a deeper location on the green ones. Makes little difference on stock but a world of difference on LT

Hello Dave, so the axle shaft itself is the difference. This would mean that the inner joint bearings ride more to the outside of the inner cup then the black axles, correct?

Do you think the cv joint itself is the same?

its not the axle, its the cv with the groove that is different

Gotcha, thank you for the clarification.

What do you think it would cost to build a pilot buying all the parts you need on ebay?
Is $25,000 enough?

Dave, here are some other pics I found when I did the long travel on my 89 pilot. I also have a 90 pilot that has the green cv cups and another 90 that has black cv cups. I thought my 90 that has the black cups must have had the green cv cups swapped out at some point, but not too sure?

I believe the green axles were a later replacement axle. Black was factory came on the machine. Mine had axles replaced on it previously so they were green.

I would bet the axles on your 90 have been replaced at some time in its life, also if you have ATV racing long travel? on your pilot it is built so over conservative that it does not mater one way or the other what cvs you have. Those will NOT work with mine as we have found out. I contacted a couple of friends that I know have 90 pilots, one has 2 extremely low hour machines that he bought brand new in 1995! and they are black. I also contacted my friend who has a couple in the crates in a collection that would blow your mind, including one of Hitlers personal 6 wheel Mercedez staff cars that is shown in dozens of news reals with him in it, he has had the 2 pilots in the crates that he could not sell to save his life when they were selling them since his cycle dealership closed in 94 and those are black. He has over 75 rare cars and cycles he keeps in a temp controlled warehouse at his Honda Vw Mercedes Porsche Mazda Sterling dealership in the midwest. No he wont sell.

Can a guy buy a ticket just to see them?

I have a 90 in the crate, I looked it has green stubs/cv's on both. I have never had a green cv on any of my pilots, I can check in the coming week but I am sure that all my pilots have the black ones. I do know they make 2 different thickness clips for the ends of the axles, and I have seem both grooves as in the pictures provided here but in black studs not green.

Maybe the early 1990 produced units had the green and the later 1990 had the black cv.
Here are the vin#s from my two 1990 pilots.
JH3TE1608LK100743 - green cv - 11/89 manufactured date
JH3TE1603LK100701 - black cv - sticker is damaged and date is gone

Hopefully someone can chime in and help given this info:)

Mud, would you ever consider selling the crate unit? If so, what price? Just asking:)

Mud now I wanna see a picture of that crate pilot!!!

2nd that.