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 Post subject: From truck to toter
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:23 pm 
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OK, like always, I am up to something, and like normal, it seems to be turning out to be complicated and expensive.

I bought a 2005 Ford E450 box truck, it has the 6 liter diesel and a 5 speed automatic, a class V tow hitch and a brake contrller, the box is 8' wide, 12.5' long, and 7' tall, all inside measurements. At this point, it is a work truck, formerly owned by a paving company near Washington DC, it has less than 40,000 miles and no apparent damage, it also has a clean repair record, so, I think it is a good solid vehicle to start with.

Ted and I looked long and hard at the Penske, and various other trucks, they are all a bit longer, virtually all are gas engines, and most have well in excess of 100,000 miles, they promote these as 'one owner, just off lease', what we found was that most of them were from their rental fleets and they unload them just about the point they figure to start costing money to maintain. U-haul's looked more like what would be friendlier to use, lower floors and an attic for storage, but any they get rid of are about 20 years old and 200,000 or so miles.

I picked it up back east and on the way back, I stopped at the factory and got an air dam to make it a bit slipperier in the wind, also stopped by Hoser's place and got in a nice visit. What a beautiful area he lives in, small town, lots of trees, lakes, rivers and open spaces.

The first problem I encountered is that the air conditioning is leaking, Hoser patched it up and it got me home, but it is no longer cooling, so it needs the hose replaced and system recharded. Second problem showed up today, the air dam doesn't fit, it is too tall, made for the box that doesn't have the wheel wells in the box, fortunately, Rockport is going to send me a new one. Third challenge, and I should have thought of this earlier, the floor has tar on it, I tried using solvents and scrapping it, but I just made a mess, will either have to cover it, or, at worst replace it. Since it is nothing more than three sheets of plywood, this may work out to be the cleanest and easiest in the long run.

If it all works out, the plan is to make it a dry camper and hauler, that is, with cooking and sleeping setup, but no bathroom, there is just not enough space.

I plan to put a murphy type bed in it, just like in the back of the red trailer, it will fit just right over the wheel well, and cabinets across the front. If it isn't too costly, I would like to install a roof air, two windows, a fride, stove and microwave.

In the photos of the cab, you will see a partition behind the seats, this was metal with a sliding door to the rear. I have already removed this, it was just like being inside a metal drum, and will replace it with plywood that is carpeted for sound insulation.

The rear door is a rollup, garage door that is seven feet wide and about six feet tall. Since I removed the partition, I have come to realize that most of the noise in this truck comes from the rear door, and especially the overhead hardware and tracks. My first thought was to have a ramp door made, and may return to that idea, but for now, I got a pair of ramps to get started.


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File comment: Old and really vibrant looking town, in most similar towns I have seen in the midwest, the downtowns are ghost towns, not here, lots of life and business going on.
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File comment: Stepwell is about 9 1/2 inches tall, bottom of it is about 19 inches above the ground, the right front wheel of the Drak will be here in transit...I plan to make a box that the wheel will rest on in transit, then take the box out and use as a step
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Here is a view of the left side of the truck, part of what I was after, was the lowest profile with the tallest interior I could find. The floor of the bed is just a shade higher than the trim panel you see on the side, interior is 7 feet tall and because of this, feels pretty spacious, overall, it is 9.5 feet tall, if roof air is added, it would be just over 10 feet....most RVs are 12 feet or more.


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Air dam is too tall, should have checked it before I left the factory.....they were closing for the day, and in a hurry to get rid of me, now they have to send the right one.


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Drakman wrote:
Air dam is too tall, should have checked it before I left the factory.....they were closing for the day, and in a hurry to get rid of me, now they have to send the right one.


Was their any trouble getting the sealant off when they took it apart?


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One of my first improvements will be this rear view camera and monitor. Pretty slick little gadget, the monitor clips to the rear view mirror, so it is way better than the little TV that was in the motorhomes. The monitor is seven inches diagonal, and looks like it will be east to see a fair amount of detail. The truck has a switch on the dash that turns on the light in the box, the plan is to use this for the camera, and put a switch near the side entry of the box for the interior lights.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:29 pm 
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D-man, A couple of comments, worth what you paid for them.

Mount the A/C on the roof of the cab to reduce height. Some time when you are pulling threw the drive threw at Wendy’s in a rain storm to get a frosty you will think it a good idea. You can cut a hole in the deflector to go around the A/C.

Mount the cabinets and stuff waist high (put the bottom at waist height). You can incorporate folding shelves under to hold stuff but you can park vehicles under the cabinets and gain a little room.

Do something for a potty.
One idea is to make a place for a portable, almost to the bottom of this page:
http://turtleexpedition.com/vehicles/turtle5.php

Or this set up is real slick but before you look too much at this site, there rv’s are 200k. The potty cassette idea is good.
http://www.earthroamer.com/tab_xpeditio ... stems.html

I think a ramp door is a good idea, look at the Weekend warrior build pic, add plywood sheeting on the inside and fiber glass sheeting on the outside to keep out the noise :
http://a1warriortrailers.com/special/fa ... mpdoor.jpg
http://a1warriortrailers.com/special/fa ... pframe.jpg
http://a1warriortrailers.com/special/fa ... frame5.jpg
http://www.a1warriortrailers.com/images ... floor2.jpg

Ramp door latch like this. I don’t like the Weekend warrior latch so much.
http://www.productiontraileranddock.com ... 2black.JPG


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:09 am 
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hoser wrote:
Drakman wrote:
Air dam is too tall, should have checked it before I left the factory.....they were closing for the day, and in a hurry to get rid of me, now they have to send the right one.


Was their any trouble getting the sealant off when they took it apart?


I took it to a truck body shop to do the work, the guys are moonlighting the job, supposed to be 200 bux for the job which sounded cheap to me. They broke the plastic panels on the top corners, I don't think they tried to save them, on the truck they looked really thick and sturdy, but in reality, they were thin and brittle. The metal part came of pretty easy and is in one piece. They scraped off some of the sealant, and will probably leave the stuff that doesn't show.


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Lee wrote:
D-man, A couple of comments, worth what you paid for them.

Mount the A/C on the roof of the cab to reduce height. Some time when you are pulling threw the drive threw at Wendy’s in a rain storm to get a frosty you will think it a good idea. You can cut a hole in the deflector to go around the A/C.

Mount the cabinets and stuff waist high (put the bottom at waist height). You can incorporate folding shelves under to hold stuff but you can park vehicles under the cabinets and gain a little room.

Do something for a potty.
One idea is to make a place for a portable, almost to the bottom of this page:
http://turtleexpedition.com/vehicles/turtle5.php

Or this set up is real slick but before you look too much at this site, there rv’s are 200k. The potty cassette idea is good.
http://www.earthroamer.com/tab_xpeditio ... stems.html

I think a ramp door is a good idea, look at the Weekend warrior build pic, add plywood sheeting on the inside and fiber glass sheeting on the outside to keep out the noise :
http://a1warriortrailers.com/special/fa ... mpdoor.jpg
http://a1warriortrailers.com/special/fa ... pframe.jpg
http://a1warriortrailers.com/special/fa ... frame5.jpg
http://www.a1warriortrailers.com/images ... floor2.jpg

Ramp door latch like this. I don’t like the Weekend warrior latch so much.
http://www.productiontraileranddock.com ... 2black.JPG


Thanks Lee, some great ideas.

I figured if anything, a porta potty since floor space is at a real premium here.

I hadn't thought of the 'thru the wall' air conditioner......all RV types I have seen are down flow, maybe something like a small 'Thermo King' unit like on small delivery trucks? The plan was to use the space in the air dam as storage, but if it would save a foot in height, that would be worth the lost storage. Maybe even a closeable door on the front?

I really want a ramp door, but somehow this seems the hardest to attain. The rear of the truck has a really sturdy steel frame that could easily accomodate one. I know what you mean about the Weekend Warrior latches, the ones on the old featherlite were the best I ever used, even have their own locking latches. Another reason for a ramp, is the ability to mount the spare tire on the outside, like an old 'Continental Kit', you actually see something like this on a lot of camper trailers.


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you could put a good window unit in the front of the box over the cab It would mean losing the fairing though... I am in the process of researching the rooftop units for my peterbilt truck... Diesel is to high to let the truck idle all night and keep me comfortable while I sleep... I think the rooftop unit "Roughneck" would be best for your van, and it's to tall to go thru a wendy's as is anyway!!! If you have it blowing in the cab it will require a fan to push the air back to the box...
I used a window unit and would put it in my passenger window at nite and had to use a fan to get any cold air to my bunk...
I am just waiting on a few good dry days at home to put a low profile coleman cub on my Pete!!!
Go with 1350 btu or more... don't buy the heat strip!!! get a floor heater from walmart...
where you going to mount the generator???


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Turbotexas wrote:
you could put a good window unit in the front of the box over the cab It would mean losing the fairing though... I am in the process of researching the rooftop units for my peterbilt truck... Diesel is to high to let the truck idle all night and keep me comfortable while I sleep... I think the rooftop unit "Roughneck" would be best for your van, and it's to tall to go thru a wendy's as is anyway!!! If you have it blowing in the cab it will require a fan to push the air back to the box...
I used a window unit and would put it in my passenger window at nite and had to use a fan to get any cold air to my bunk...
I am just waiting on a few good dry days at home to put a low profile coleman cub on my Pete!!!
Go with 1350 btu or more... don't buy the heat strip!!! get a floor heater from walmart...
where you going to mount the generator???


Generator is the least likely improvement, haven't found enough space for one yet. Because of the low profile, there isn't much space under the floor, which is where most RV generators are located.

The cab is pretty small, so the factory air cools it quickly and well, the only cooling I think is needed is for the box. 13,500s are what is in the trailer now, the space is pretty similar, and they do a good job. The rear of the trailer has a heat strip, but for the truck, a little heater from Wally's would be cheaper and easy.


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lot of places have hookups so I see the gen waiting till a trip to glamis... Get one with wheels, and load it when you need it...

http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/rv-a ... -rv-ac.htm

best prices I've found... this isn't the one I will use on my peterbilt, but might be a good one for you...


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Any progress on sealing the floor?


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hoser wrote:
Any progress on sealing the floor?


Nope, the truck is still in the shop waiting for the wind deflector. Driving it without the front on it would likely invite some damage to the box...hope it comes in soon.


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Drakman, what about a rooster booster logo for the front. Make deal with energy drink comany for travleing billboard. I found a generator,a/c and converter for 600.00 from old camper being scraped. The a/c unit is roof top but is only two years old. Should cool me down just fine. Beats standing in the heat. I need to ask "H" why no duct tape or band aid on quick fix I thought duct tape was a cure all. I know the band aid worked well for my nose. What about a five point for seats, little pre ride fun on the way to dunes. That rear view would work well on the tiger so you can get a good view of adnoh covered in sand and hook it to a digatal recorder to share with others. Also make sure the gas guage works. We would need big toe strap for that one. See ya soon and enjoy.


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Drakman, what about a rooster booster logo for the front. Make deal with energy drink comany for travleing billboard. I found a generator,a/c and converter for 600.00 from old camper being scraped. The a/c unit is roof top but is only two years old. Should cool me down just fine. Beats standing in the heat. I need to ask "H" why no duct tape or band aid on quick fix I thought duct tape was a cure all. I know the band aid worked well for my nose. What about a five point for seats, little pre ride fun on the way to dunes. That rear view would work well on the tiger so you can get a good view of adnoh covered in sand and hook it to a digatal recorder to share with others. Also make sure the gas guage works. We would need big toe strap for that one. See ya soon and enjoy.


Now that is the kind of deal I would like to find, if you see another around, let me know.

Is Rooster Booster and actual drink? I never heard of it around here.

He put some spit and bailing wire, actually just bailing wire, that is the Hoser emergency fix when faced with a lot of heat that would melt the glue on duct tape.


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It's been a rough week, new air dam came in, but it is too short. They have the truck torn apart and have given up on the project, told be to get it out of there. They referred me to another shop that specializes in large truck body repair, basically a body shop for semi trucks, they don't want it either, told me to get it out of there also, beginning to feel like an unwanted step-child.

So, it is home, and I am scratching my head on what to do next. Can't drive it too far or too fast, as the roof now acts as an air scoop and sounds like it is about to rip it off at 40 mph.

Seriously considering cutting the walls down a bit, and lowering the roof, even better for air flow, but, this will effectively render the rear door useless and inoperable...neither of the truck places wanted anything to do with that idea, but...I always really wanted a ramp door.....


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Drakman wrote:
It's been a rough week, new air dam came in, but it is too short. They have the truck torn apart and have given up on the project, told be to get it out of there. They referred me to another shop that specializes in large truck body repair, basically a body shop for semi trucks, they don't want it either, told me to get it out of there also, beginning to feel like an unwanted step-child.

So, it is home, and I am scratching my head on what to do next. Can't drive it too far or too fast, as the roof now acts as an air scoop and sounds like it is about to rip it off at 40 mph.

Seriously considering cutting the walls down a bit, and lowering the roof, even better for air flow, but, this will effectively render the rear door useless and inoperable...neither of the truck places wanted anything to do with that idea, but...I always really wanted a ramp door.....


You have to be kidding, you send that pic to the supplier of the air dams?


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hoser wrote:
Drakman wrote:
It's been a rough week, new air dam came in, but it is too short. They have the truck torn apart and have given up on the project, told be to get it out of there. They referred me to another shop that specializes in large truck body repair, basically a body shop for semi trucks, they don't want it either, told me to get it out of there also, beginning to feel like an unwanted step-child.

So, it is home, and I am scratching my head on what to do next. Can't drive it too far or too fast, as the roof now acts as an air scoop and sounds like it is about to rip it off at 40 mph.

Seriously considering cutting the walls down a bit, and lowering the roof, even better for air flow, but, this will effectively render the rear door useless and inoperable...neither of the truck places wanted anything to do with that idea, but...I always really wanted a ramp door.....


You have to be kidding, you send that pic to the supplier of the air dams?


You cant reinstall the old parts with at least some of the fasteners real quick then seal with duct tape?


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Does Steve Bishop (Professional Liar) run those shops?

You have got to be kidding me! They ripped it apart and handed you the keys? "We're done now!"

I don't even have a single good idea or thought for you........

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Does Steve Bishop (Professional Liar) run those shops?

You have got to be kidding me! They ripped it apart and handed you the keys? "We're done now!"

I don't even have a single good idea or thought for you........

Tom


If they ship him one or two more of them air dams he could become a dealer?


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Plastic or fiberglass air dams?

If fiber, try a boat shop, they could easily cut and blend the larger one to fit correctly.


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The easiest thing would be to patch over the hole with the aluminum that was on there, I have most of that left, but several pieces and the side pieces are gone, I am sure they would be thrilled to send me the missing pieces and move on, but that is not what I want to do. It seems that I am hung up on the air dam idea, I am just convinced that it will get a lot better fuel mileage, and I like the look.

The company that makes these and sold them to me closes at 4:00 PM eastern time, I missed them on Friday. Will call them first thing on Monday and see what they say. I can understand what happened, first one was a mistake, they knew what the truck was, but the one the gave me was too tall, I think the shipping department likely made the mistake. The second one is about the same amount too short as the first one was too tall, I believe they re-calculated from what they thought they had given the first time, and then sent me what they thought was the next smaller size, when in fact, they sent me one two sizes smaller.

I will have to say that their customer service is excellent, nothing like some of what we have seen going on with Turbo.

These are fiberglass, the boat people really sounds like a good idea if I can't come up with the right one from the factory, I just may try that. The idea in taking it to the big rig place was for them to cut it down, but, they said they had no faith in it working out, mostly, the angles and the slippery nature of the gel coat. Maybe the boat people will look at it in a different light.


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Jerry I am so sorry I must have rubbed some of my luck off on you!!! If I find my way down to Denver, I'll stop and help you put at least the corner piece back on... I would have pitched a fit to the first shops managment, as the guys were Side jobing it out on Company property, and most employers frown on this... HINT!!! Demand they put the original corner piece back on at least!!!


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Jerry I am so sorry I must have rubbed some of my luck off on you!!! If I find my way down to Denver, I'll stop and help you put at least the corner piece back on... I would have pitched a fit to the first shops managment, as the guys were Side jobing it out on Company property, and most employers frown on this... HINT!!! Demand they put the original corner piece back on at least!!!


It was the manager who was moonlighting it, he left on vacation Thursday, about the time the second one came in. Friday AM the shop guys tried to do it but gave up.

As an absolute last resort, I do have the center metal piece that came off of it, and will put it back on if all else fails.

I took it over to my brother in law's place today, he is very resourceful and is willing to help me, so, at long last I may be on the right track....he really doesn't know what he is getting into.

This thing has been bad luck from the beginning, but, it is about time for it to turn around.


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I think the tiger does not like it's new home or it could be the lack of the duck tape, it does come in colors. Any aircraft worker out there you know. I had traded a motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) rebuild for some fiberglasse work it was worth it that stuff was nasty and even got some new tools out of the deal. The guy cut and rewoked it adding renforcment to the back and put on gel coat wow looked like new and never broke again. I was a little worried when it went into three pieces before he started puttig it back together. that's ok you should of seen his face when I beat the piston out with out useing the ridge reamer. It was way out and getting new ones any way plus a few cold ones were downed at the time. Time to go watch chop, cut, rebuild, have fun and don't let that tiger get away, keep it in the cage untill i get a shot at it agian. Got my eye out for rv parts.


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