Hey guys, i bought a Honda Odyssey which dosnt work. I have a Honda Odyssey Fl250, which has a 1984 frame with a 1977 or 1978 Engine.

So the problem is that the pull start doesn't pull through. It has a brand new pull start on it and only the other day was pulling through fine. Though it hasn't been started while I have had it which has been about 3 months and probably hasn't been started for at least 6 months before that. We have taken off the head, and the other day I poured some petrol around the top to clean the top of the piston, which i think was what helped loosen it up. From there a couple of days after it was pulling right through fine with the head off, However when the head was back on the next day it was solid again and wouldn't pull through. I tried this afternoon and it still isnt pulling through so my question:
has anybody got any suggestions to help me get it running again? anything i should check? I have pulled the bottom of the motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) out and the piston and shaft looked fine to me.(from a non-mechanics point of view). Would it be as simple as oiling certain parts in the Engine?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Is this a pull start problem? I have two FL250s. One day I pulled the rope to start one and it would not retract. Ended up taking apart the pull start mechanism, cleaning it, relubed, and reassembled. Best thing I ever did. Went ahead and did the other Oddy too. Follow the instructions in the FL250 service manual for servicing the pull start (pages 8-6 & 8-7). The manual says to prewind the pulley 2-1/2 turns. Don't believe it... That may work for a new spring but my old springs required more preload.

its a brand new though? last night we had a guy who know a bit about engines(a lot more than my father and I have) and he said that the wheel thing which the pullstart grabs might be loose. would that be a problem?

remove pull starter and check

You say the pull start "does not pull through"? Does that mean the rope comes out but the motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) does not spin?
Or as you pull it spins to a point then the motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) simply locks up? Can you still move the motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) by spinning the clutch by hand? Bill

Yes I mean that I pull the pull start out 20cm then it lock ups and you cant pull it. I took the pull start off today to check and the flywheel is loose and wobbles,(is it called a flywheel or something else? anyway the thing that the teeth of the pullstart flick out onto to pull rotate the Engine.) Is it supposed to have a bit of movement or not?

The flywheel should be able to spin with the crank but not loose on it one bit. Its normal to have to have a puller to get a flywheel off and even then they should put up a bit of a fight. It sounds like the nut that holds the flywheel on was not tightened properly (a bit of locktite on the nut is never a bad idea) Take the nut off and remove the flywheel. Are the magnets inside it damaged? Look at the stator (The thing with the coils or wrapped wire.) Is it damaged? If either are damaged bad they will need to be replaced. If you are not sure you need to get someone who is to look at them. At the least clean all debris (if there is any) out of the works then see if you can get the flywheel back on. See below first.

Also see if the flywheel alignment key is still there. If the key slot in the crank is damaged you might be in a bit of $$$ trouble. If the key slot in the flywheel is damaged then again it needs replacing. If there is any damage take a pic if you can and post it. If the keyways are fine and you find the key you might be able to make sure its clean and tighten the flywheel down and be OK. If not whatever got damaged is likely junk. Bill

ok ill check that tomorrow.

I have removed 4 of the 5 nuts on the flywheel but cannot get the last one off. so ill have to wait for my father to get home from work to try to pull it off.

I think what you are looking at is the pullstart cage. This is mounted ON the flywheel. Is this what was loose? Or was it the actual flywheel? the flywheel only has one large nut in the middle.

jim

oh ok then its the pull start cage and the flywheel which are both loose. still down to the last small nut of the pull start cage, I gotta get Dad to get rid of the stupid nut.

So the starter cage AND the flywheel are dancing (loose)? Is the nut in the middle of the flywheel loose? You should be able to remove the center nut and take the flywheel right off.

lol when i treid just then i pulled it straight off, DUH!
The stator is it? looks really bad , inside the flywheel there is a bolt and two of those wing things from the old pull start.

If i clean away all the crap will it be ok or not???

Um, the first pic the coil is suppose to be mounted on the plate in the second pic. So I would say you have definate problems. Need to check behind the plate to see if the wires were all pulled out.

Jim

at minimum your pull starter needs to be rebuilt - those 2 things in the first pic are the ratchets out of the pullstart. and next pull the stator plate and rebuild it - that is the lighting coil i think sitting inside the flywheel - need to be put back on the stator plate or taken out all together.

my 2 cents

my Honda odyssey dosnt actually have any lights for some reason all the plugs are there but there are no traces of lights just the mounts. So would the other coil work fine without the lights coil on the other side. lol i actually thought that, that coil was supposed to be on that side cause the magnet it so strong I thought it was in the correct spot till i checked the manual and you said it as well.

The pull start that came with the buggy was in pieces and had a whole lot of broken parts so we bought a new one. The new pull start still has all of its ratchets inside it.

Also would the coil of the lights work in place of the coil spark plug? Becuase the sparkplug coil which is still attached looks like its rapped in tape.

It's supposed to look like that.

As long as the coil and exciter are in good shape and you don't want or need lights then leaving the lighting coil out is no big deal. What I don't know is if it will cause some unusual eddy currents to develop if it's not in there since there's no chunk of steel to 'balance' the pull of the flywheel magnets.

yea good point, i'll have to have a closer look but i think the mounts have actually broken off with the lights coil so we might have to buy a new one, which will cost 160$ US for the stator according to the service honda site. heres a picture of the lights coil on the side which was facing towards the wall of the flywheel, is it reuseble?

Seems pretty torn up, if you don't want lights and will only ride in the daytime, I am pretty sure you don't need it. Then again im not 100% positive.

not that it is good or right but i ran my cr/fl250 (points) with no light coil and don't think i had any problems.

if you keep an eye on evilbay you find a CDI (Capacitor Discharge Ignition) stator for less than a new one.


by the way most all the guys racing fl250's ran without light coils.


OMO

that's good, lol why do you guys call it evilbay( i guess cause you think its evil?),

Ill be taking off the next stator plate today hopefully and will send an update.

Ouch! From the part about the new pull start I would guess the engaugement dogs fell out of the old one and when the new starter was put on the starter dogs got mixed up between moving parts and parts that were not supposed to move. I can only wonder how bad the wires may be damaged. But at least you know whats mostly wrong.

Its called evilbay because its practiaclly designed to screw you. And to let those who screw you get away with it without penalties. Many people have other reasons but that's one of mine. Bill

lol, i see. Im kinda dreading taking it off, hopefully it will be fine and i can just clean out the dust crap and then when i put it all back it might work now that theres not a coil, 2 ratchets and 2 bolts in the way of the spinning flywheel.

One you clean out the loose stuff and put it back together it may run if the ignition circuits were not damaged. I would be more surprised if it started than not.

Re-assembled everything and got a small but work-able spark, will be getting a new spark plug in a couple of days. The motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) was turning over fine and spraying fuel out of the top of the Engine through the spark plug hole. We then re-attached the spark plug but the pull start wasn't pulling the hole motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) over anymore it was just turning the flywheel, was what i realized once i pulled the pull start off. when we pulled it off we noticed that we are missing the woodruff key.