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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:36 pm 
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Copy all Hoser...no proof but just your spoof based on synthesized media.

Thank you for being supportive of your troops, it does make a difference to us. We are very sensitive to who/who does not take a political or self-serving stance against us, our organizations and/or our beliefs in freely joining the ranks. So yes, when you touch on these things, you will stir many of us up. Similarly, if you were a welder by trade then said the welds cracked on my bicycle, hence stated, welders are freeloading unionists costing the gov't tons in bailouts you'd probably take offense to that. I'm not saying that because it didn't happen, but it would have some sting to it.

Save your unsubstantiated "you're dumb" claims for someone who gives a crap about them, I don't. That's actually funny, really, comical beyond belief. Anyhow, if you rely on slighted media then I have nothing for you, be discontent with your perceptions and let them drive your purported reality into the ground. I don't care that you don't respect me but you have been welcomed into my family's home before. At least have some dignified respect for that if nothing else.

Are you paying me to "set" here and be on your site? I get to take personal breaks at work. But, I do sometimes leave this website and many others open for extended periods when I'm working on multiple tasks and talking to people. That said, thanks for keeping it open, I like most of what I read in here, especially about the riding trips.

I rarely get to leave my office for lunch, typically have 10-12 hour days and occaisionally have to spend weeks or months away from home. But, technically, yes, you're paying for me to access your website, drive my car, buy my socks, go to the movies, pay for my utilities, etc... Everything. I don't recall the exact figure, but somewhere around a third of your Federal Tax goes to defense spending. Depending on the service, about a third to half is spent on people expenses being salaries, benefits, etc... So, maybe, 1/9th of your Federal Tax goes to paying for servicemebers from salary, benefits, housing, etc... State taxes pick up most of the bill for State run Guard units. Reservists are 100% paid out of Federal funds. Given the millions of us that are serving or have served, it's a huge bill. I have no idea what it is compared to other industries but I'd think it is likely the largest gross figure in the U.S.

You're right, we've never met but if you are of what you say on this website I do have a good sense of you. If you're not, then I've been categorically incorrect of who Kelly is behind the keyboard.


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Why is it if you question Military or Religion it equals you hate your country and God?



If you cant see what is going on in our Country right now is not working then you are STUPID! stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.


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afastcar wrote:
stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.


Einstein said a similar thing but called it insanity.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:00 pm 
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My hats off to you tedpilot you do a great song and dance.

Do I believe what I see here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU
and here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU
and here http://solari.com/archive/missing_money/

Or do I adhere to your belief their is not trillions of tax payers dollars missing?

Based on everything you have said here, heck I will include every word I have seen you type, ever, (which is pretty much limited to this site) I have no doubt those links are right and your very wrong.

You and your minions are going to have to work much harder to convince us dummy's any different than what those links say, I know its probably all top secret info only you have access to so we will just have to live with the lies?

No offense but shouldn't you be spending your free time looking for bin Laden or looking for them weapons of mass destruction in IRAQ I know if I was in your position I would be spending every fee moment of my life and using all the resources I had to find them, not much I can do with the limited resources I have, once I retired I would use my free time to browse the web and question the patriotism of others.

Again catchy phrases like "slighted media" carry no weight here not sure who it is your trying to fool, if you have something that proves any of the links I have given are false then please explain you have to know something we don't know to support your "slighted media" comments, please for the benefit of all of us back up what you say.


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afastcar wrote:
Why is it if you question Military or Religion it equals you hate your country and God?



If you cant see what is going on in our Country right now is not working then you are STUPID! stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.


So its not only me that feels that way.

What is sad is all the people I see lay down and take it.


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If you were 100% accurate w/ the "missing trillions" I'd like to see the certified spending documents that shows the funds are missing. Not hearsay, the accounting documents...produce them to validate your statement. The Freedom of Information Act enables you to get them so when you finish reviewing them and show me where the money was "missing" then you can stand on your statements proudly and truthfully.



http://www.whereisthemoney.org/1.1trillion.htm


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DOD source good enough for you?

Should I summon GOD himself to deliver the news to you?

Not sure what more proof you need, I think what you need is recondition, debriefed, maybe see Dr. Phil

"The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the private sector, but not ours, not fully, not yet. We are, as they say, tangled in our anchor chain. Our financial systems are decades old. According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions. We cannot share information from floor to floor in this building because it's stored on dozens of technological systems that are inaccessible or incompatible."

- Remarks as Delivered by Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, The Pentagon, Monday, September 10, 2001

http://www.defense.gov/speeches/speech. ... eechid=430


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Yes it is...thanks for pointing out that 10 years ago we didn't balance our "checkbooks" between computer systems and agencies. That's all this document tells you. It's anagulous to matching your checkbook, bank statement, online bank statement and your taxes.

It DOES NOT indicate a loss of Trillions of dollars by the military. I'm rooting for you to find the facts.


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tedpilot wrote:
Yes it is...thanks for pointing out that 10 years ago we didn't balance our "checkbooks" between computer systems and agencies. That's all this document tells you. It's anagulous to matching your checkbook, bank statement, online bank statement and your taxes.

It DOES NOT indicate a loss of Trillions of dollars by the military. I'm rooting for you to find the facts.


Whilst your looking find out who pays for all those fly overs they do at the air shows I am having no luck.

I was told the two stealth bombers I seen and the other 50 or more jets I seen fly over while i was at nellis dunes was all part of a air show.

I was impressed to see my tax dollars at work, I suppose I will next see in the news they need another X billions of dollars to do maintenance...

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Military had nothing t do with this right, the didnt handle it, transport it, guard it, its all congress, bush, cheany, good ole boy network etc. ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yiuQaQjkTU

FYI I hate that waxman mutt not sure what you can believe from the guy.


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hoser wrote:


"The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the private sector, but not ours, not fully, not yet. We are, as they say, tangled in our anchor chain. Our financial systems are decades old. According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions. We cannot share information from floor to floor in this building because it's stored on dozens of technological systems that are inaccessible or incompatible."

- Remarks as Delivered by Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, The Pentagon, Monday, September 10, 2001

http://www.defense.gov/speeches/speech. ... eechid=430


Yes, multitudes of computer systems are a problem. We're very very advanced in some areas (e.g. stealth) and bleakfully behind the civil sector in others. But, we're making progress and the technology rush is making some things actually more tasking, complicated and expensive to perform. I have specified logins and accounts on numerous systems for varying subjects. Though we've made some great strides in consolidating some of them it will take years for everything to work smoothly. Even then, new evolutions and challenges to keeping our systems secure will have to be addressed because of the bad people in the world.


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Whilst your looking find out who pays for all those fly overs they do at the air shows I am having no luck.

I was told the two stealth bombers I seen and the other 50 or more jets I seen fly over while i was at nellis dunes was all part of a air show.

I was impressed to see my tax dollars at work, I suppose I will next see in the news they need another X billions of dollars to do maintenance...


Flight hours are booked like money. 1hr = x dollars. Like all DFAS functions, there are multitudes of codes, bookings and so forth that determine the rate and type of hours any unit has to use. Even then, rates change (fuel), maintenance overhead, and so on. In the end, the unit uses the flight hours but they do not control how much they get...they're "budgeted" for lack of a better term by HHQ.

Could be an airshow or a major exercise which are mostly flown out of Nellis. Most of the time fly-overs are two things being done at once...the fly-over itself and then training for the aircrew. The purpose of airshows is to open up a base and let citizens see what they pay for up close and meet the Servicemembers that work there. Also, every fly-over has to be approved by the Pentagon. Literally, every one of them and the rules are strict. It has to be a significant event where the public at large has the opportunity to view it. Simply, if it is not good for the people and relations then no fly over. Similarly, the Thunderbirds, Blue Angels, and Army Golden Knights are all recruiting venues.


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So I can claim to be a poor bookkeeper, and write checks I cant cover and not be held accountable? Cool I always thought that was stealing???


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No Turbo, that would be a criminal act and in the military that gets the equivalent of a felony, maybe even jail time.


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You know this guy maybe give him a call?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_C._Spinney


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Not a clue... There's tens of thousands of Officers out there I've never met. Did you read his report? It's requirements vs economic sustainability. Not uncommon unfortunately. Sometimes pork is added to a bill deciding that X location will get Y equipment and then it's not funded in the PPBS, 4-yr cycle of programming, budgeting based off of the President's Startegic Plan. Messy politics... Unfortunately in recent years this means fewer Servicemembers can be in; the military swaps the cost of manpower (jobs) to sustain systems they didn't need or ask for. The political leaders get mad about this going back and forth...they want their "toys" and jobs in their districts but there simply is not enough money or need to have such excess capacity. There is a limit on how much can be spent.


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tedpilot wrote:
Not a clue... There's tens of thousands of Officers out there I've never met. Did you read his report?


No I didnt, he is mention here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU I was trying to figure out who he was I seen he was son of an Air Force colonel thought maybe his name was still known in the system, he talks as if cooking the books is a well known issue, that's what makes my blood boil known problems ignored by guys that can fix it like bush and dumbsfeld.


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Looks like he was an Acquisition Officer, basically responsible for buying new equipment.

From my experience, any cooking of the books is a huge ordeal no matter how big or small it is. Punisheable under the UCMJ. It may have been a common practice decades ago but I've never seen it happen. I get the frivolous use of money as I pay taxes too. I don't like it either usually why I give back so much of my budget at the end of the year. Some organizations don't have enough while others have more than they need. Shuffling of funds occurs, adjustments made for the next year, mistakes are bound to happen but that doesn't mean the money was lost, just used elsewhere. Even a mistake in some of these transactions are criminal thus so many "checks and balances" to keep people from executing eroneous transactions.


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OK So I would go to jail, you would go to jail, but the higher ups get a free pass??? Simply because they can pass the blame down the line??? (IE The Abu Graib torture ordeal... the grunts got the blame, for following orders???)
Our Gov't lost my trust years ago... Something about osama bin laden making video's and King George demanding more money for our troops??? Then that money going to the likes of Haliburton and blackwater??? Our troops were dying from electrical shock from haliburton company constructed barracks and they were not held accountable???
I haven't seen a video of bin laden lately??? But I quit watching anything more than my local news.. Has he made an appearance since King Georgie left office???
Face it WAR IS BIG BUSINESS!!! Good busness if you are a private sector contractor... And Haliburton was never in the war business until we had to "rebuild Iraq"
Ted I hold no ill content towards you or any other service member, it is the top commanders who are profitting or passing on the profits I have no respect for!!!
Does this make me un patriotic??? NO...


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