So, I think I'm going to realky jump on my Ody the way I jumped on my Banshee (in a very bad way....on my wallet, that is! LOL!!). Do they make VForce reeds for these things? As I mentioned before, I laready have the exhaust, I'm going to upgrade the carb, and it looks like I have a newer clutch and pulley assembly.

TIA!

Those suck....or should I say break off and get sucked through the motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )). Go with the 88CR250 read cage and enjoy NOT having to rebuild your motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )). Someone here will chime in the exact part number.

You can buy this reed cage ready to go and a carb for about the cost of the Moto-suckie reed cage if memory serves.

Tom

DISCLAIMER: Memory usually is worthless! I forgot more than I ever knew! No brain cells were used making this post.

The part number for the 88 cr250r is 14100-KS7-831 but it looks like it is unavailable. Also 86-89 use the same reed cage (4 petal) but only the 89 cr250 one is available.? That reed cage dose comes with a stuffer correct? I was going to install this on my 350 but I also wanted the straight intake manifold instead of the stock offset one. I know that the belt guard is in the way and will need cut but not that big of a problem. Problem is that I don’t know what the straight intake comes off of. I am sorry for blabbing there but I have been wondering about this for some time now and this looked like good time to bring it up.

Cooper

The VForce 3 sucks? I know the old ones had issues, but I've had pretty good luck with the 3 model on my Banshee... But still, I'm asking a bunch of guys that have been there with the Ody, so I'llheed the advice. I'm anxiously awaiting the response on the CR250 reed/cage....

been wanting to try out the cr250 cage, a lot of guys on the board report the best gains with them. I have boyseen reeds on the stock cages in both of mine.

I use them both 2 and 3. There not real popular with board. "H" has great read and comment on them so you can make up your own mind. One advantage they have is the block ( non metal)acts like an isolater and reduces heat transfer hold density better with flow porting. Jusyt my opinon. I have used boyseen and other and they work great in the odysse. I think nukem has a great handle on 350s for advice.

Biggest complaints I have read about them is Engine builders say the reed petals loose their tension after about 20 to 30 min on the dyno then any advantage they had over other cages was gone.

The plastic cage relies on a layer of oil to cushion the blow as the reed petals come slamming back down, OEM cages have rubber surfaces for the petals to close on, they also benifit from oil being on the surfaces, wonder how much oil it takes to make them last 20:1 ratio or is 50:1 ok?

IMO heat transfer is not a issue at that part of the system, on real humid days you stop and look their is beads of water on the sides of the carb and area after the reeds on the cylinder.

I seen Nukem put one on his 3 wheeler and it ran better but who really knows why, the bike was jetted fat enough to leave a nice puff of blue smoke during acceleration before, the reed cage change seem to lean it out, less blue smoke, it ran better as it would if you simply leaned out the jetting, what nobody can tell me is did it flow more air and lean out the jetting (most assume this) or did the velocity in the carb drop enough it no longer was pulling as much fuel through the jets and dumping it into the air stream.

Either way I could give no honest real feed back with the data I collected that day.

Wear out your current setup, the next time you need reed petals then change to the different cage, what I learned over the years playing with reed cages is the difference between the best to worse cage is not all that much, a larger reward can be had by dialing in your jetting, a better investment would be to dial in and more importantly maintain your clutches.

I have seen guys buy the Vforce cage just as soon as they hit the dealers then show up to ride and never checked the tire pressure... Another had a drive belt so worn out I would not rely on it as a trail side spare, their is no quick fix to performance and no such thing as bolt on performance parts that you just bolt on and go ALL require tuning attention once installed that is except for the new and improved power ban...

Now I need one of those!

That was actually an ESR reed cage Hoser. It is a very similar design though. If you remember, I added the Paul Turner rev pipe at the same time as the ESR reed cage. It lost alot on the bottom end but gained huge mid and high rpms. Still running the stock carb too.

I do run all my engines very rich, with all the big temp swings and elevation changes in Wyoming, better to be a little rich than a little lean.

Gary

Hey nuke em you probably know what machine uses the straight intake manifold for the 350. Right?????

The 79/79 CR250 bikes use a very nice usable straight intake that will take the larger carb necks. I bought several from fleabay over the years for less than $5. I also picked up a TRX Boysene Rad Valve that some had straightened the neck(good alum welding). Curtis (Weed) fabbed up some nice billet straight type intakes. I bought a couple and blended them to my reed cages for a nice smooth flow. I am running one on the 420. Works really well too. I don't know if he went into full production or mine were just prototypes. He runs the pilotodyssey web store, sorry don't have the link. Sure someone will post it or you can "search" it.
Hope that helps or was what you were asking for,
Gary

Nuke Em til they glow...then shoot em in the dark! lol

This one should work.
http://pilotodyssey.com/BTmanifold.htm

The 83 ATC250R had a straight manifold but it was for smaller carbs like 32mm not sure if you could stretch to 38mm

Bingo that was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you nuke em and hoser

Link for weeds site is http://www.pilotodysseyperformance.com/index.php right?

So the 88 and 89 cr250 cages are the same and they both came with stuffers? Is the 79-cr250 intake still available?
This will be very helpful to myself and others to get this clarified.
Thank you

I am pretty sure the 79 CR250 are still aval thru Honda. There was a guy on Ebay selling them for $50 new not long ago.

Not sure about the stuffer setups, I never ran any, but own some. I build my Engine to rev, I ride mostly sand dunes.

Okay, did a little bit of searching (always a dangerous thing.... LOL!) and it looks like the CR500 intake will mate-up. Is this worth a look at? The reality is I won't go larger than a 35 or 36mm carb, so maybe its overkill? Also, what reed cages will work? I sa that 88/89 cages will work, but newer CR cages also look very simlar. Any ideas? If I do go with a Vforce reed, do I order one specific for a an Ody (if they have it), or will a CR250 model work?

I use Boyseens in most to all of my rides with the stock cage and have never had a failure-in Hares old 350 I have a MOSSBERGER intake which houses a 36mm intake and it works flawlessly-I recommend them to all-it has given the ride a very smotth 1/2 to WOT (Wide Open Throttle) response but still can be used in slow trail rides-I like it alot
I have used the Rad valves in my 250r atc's and liked them too-but the application for a 350 I have not tryed to date.I see no reason for you to just use a stock cage-upgrade to Boyseen reeds and run a 35-36mm carb for the time being try it-the reeds will fit right onto the stock cage and are cheap-carb is like 200 or under(havent bought 1 in a spell so that may be off)what does the V-FORCE reeds go for?

I am not 100% sure but I think that most CR500 cages are bigger than the 250R/350/400 cages. Maybe the early aircooled cr450/480/500 stuff is smaller. Here is a picture of a liq cr500 jug and a 350 jug.

About $130 for VForce reeds on eBay. I've been on the hunt for the '88 CR250 cages/reeds, but they are getting scarce... I wouldn't mind running the boysen on CR's if I can find 'em. Looks like I've got a 35mm PWK coming, so i'll probably sell the 36mm PJ and go with the PWK. I'll take some pics soon.

Yup, it looks wider, if nothing else. Thanks! I'll stick to what you guys have already tried.

I am looking for a smaller carb about 35 or 36mm, building a torque monster 350 for my son. What do you want for it? Wanna trade something for it instead?

Gary

Sure, PM me.

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