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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:04 pm 
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The stock honda one for the pilot are discontinued. Has anyone found a direct fit replacement?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:08 pm 
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EDIT - Sorry i thought you wanted ends. The best thing to do is to repair like below.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:27 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:59 pm 
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Hey Eric. I really like the idea of encasing the old tie rod into a piece of pipe. I think I found some larger diameter pipe to withstand with your driving style.











































lol peace out and I hope you get her runnin soon!!


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:56 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:43 am 
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Yeah modify your stock bent tie rods works perfectly.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:49 pm 
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Ok Stix, just drive in front of me again and I'll show u my driving style. :-)

I'm still trying to get those chrome moly tie rod threads right, if that happens I'll b set and will send you some, but right now not having much luck.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:52 pm 
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ez71pilot wrote:
Ok Stix, just drive in front of me again and I'll show u my driving style. :-)

I'm still trying to get those chrome moly tie rod threads right, if that happens I'll b set and will send you some, but right now not having much luck.


Yea no sh!t. Ha Ha . I will need one of these next time im out front, and its honda red


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:36 pm 
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Ok you two. Hers a recap pic for those wondering. FYI tag is not a safe game to play with a pilot. Niether is play tag with a steel pole at night.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:19 pm 
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Ok you two. Hers a recap pic for those wondering. FYI tag is not a safe game to play with a pilot. Niether is play tag with a steel pole at night.


that's why in Michigan they force you to mount the flags on the front not the rear, not that the extra 1/2 second of warning would do any good or anything, their flag requirements are also about 2' taller.

Glad nobody was hurt :-)


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:15 pm 
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adnoh wrote:
Ok you two. Hers a recap pic for those wondering. FYI tag is not a safe game to play with a pilot. Niether is play tag with a steel pole at night.


that's why in Michigan they force you to mount the flags on the front not the rear, not that the extra 1/2 second of warning would do any good or anything, their flag requirements are also about 2' taller.

Glad nobody was hurt :-)



And the dune traffic is one way.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:19 pm 
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ez71pilot wrote:
Ok Stix, just drive in front of me again and I'll show u my driving style. :-)

I'm still trying to get those chrome moly tie rod threads right, if that happens I'll b set and will send you some, but right now not having much luck.


Hey wait, I drove in front of YOU :shock: ?, shit man, not anymore with a quad for sure, ha ha! What was the deal with the tie rods ends, the threads are not compatable with the honda rods? Ill be getting my internal combustion Engine back from Adnoh soon, and should have her back together in a couple weeks. Get R dune with the rods and such . Have you made plans to come down this spring?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:53 pm 
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Engine is done and will deliver Saturday. Then you and EZ can drag race for bragging rights that is if you don't cut each other off. ME myself I have a steal post to pick a bone with. Stixs, did I mention EZ called and had me do something special to your Engine.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:21 pm 
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adnoh wrote:
Engine is done and will deliver Saturday. Then you and EZ can drag race for bragging rights that is if you don't cut each other off. ME myself I have a steal post to pick a bone with. Stixs, did I mention EZ called and had me do something special to your Engine.


We probably should mark that post with a flag or something so EZ doesnt cream it... I cant wait to see what goodies EZ told you to add. Did he send you some cool Genuine Honda parts to install. He was the go to there for a while, like a whole crate full of red packages.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:48 pm 
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Hey Marc,

Ur gonna love my add ons, I'm not sure they're oem honda, but Rich assured me he will make them work, just ignore the grinding noises when u first hit the gas. The tie rods had been a pain in my arse. I got em back again and threads still were not right, so much for quality control anymore. I gave up sending em back and forth to the guy so I went out and got a RH and ordered a LH die and as soon as I get it I'll know. We are in the process of cleaning up the threads to try to make em work. I'm holding out hope they will be doable. If so I got some for you and Rich.

I'm ready to ride whenever you are. Like I told Rich I'm flexible so just give me some dates. Look forward to getting out there again, just don't yell at me as I'm puttering around. I don't want to repeat my last nasa experiment with the pilot.

Later E


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:26 am 
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I can have a set of HD tie-rods made for you...the are 3/4 inch stress resistant...they will flex some but not much and they can take a hell of a lot of abuse. I use to make them for the Kawasaki KFX700 which was well known for it's weakass tie-rods. Probably made over 1000 sets for owners...


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:32 am 
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I can have a set of HD tie-rods made for you...the are 3/4 inch stress resistant...they will flex some but not much and they can take a hell of a lot of abuse. I use to make them for the Kawasaki KFX700 which was well known for it's weakass tie-rods. Probably made over 1000 sets for owners...



What is "3/4 inch stress resistant" ?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:49 pm 
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KTM265 wrote:
I can have a set of HD tie-rods made for you...the are 3/4 inch stress resistant...they will flex some but not much and they can take a hell of a lot of abuse. I use to make them for the Kawasaki KFX700 which was well known for it's weakass tie-rods. Probably made over 1000 sets for owners...



What is "3/4 inch stress resistant" ?



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:57 pm 
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hoser wrote:
KTM265 wrote:
I can have a set of HD tie-rods made for you...the are 3/4 inch stress resistant...they will flex some but not much and they can take a hell of a lot of abuse. I use to make them for the Kawasaki KFX700 which was well known for it's weakass tie-rods. Probably made over 1000 sets for owners...



What is "3/4 inch stress resistant" ?



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Ok I give up whats "3/4 inch stress resistant" picture tells me absolutely nothing .

I perfected tie rods for the Pilot many years ago http://www.pilotodyssey.com/tierod.htm
trailing arm mod is a must too http://pilotodyssey.com/PO/viewtopic.php?t=1757


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:59 pm 
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Stress resistant steel. All shafts are heat-treated alloy steel and are designed to resist stress and deflection. It has a degree of flex so instead of bending, they flex...sort of like leaf springs on a car/truck. They will bend but the degree of it is minimal and it happens near the threads so the change in the steering is minimal. Chances are you will not even know you bent one until you spin it out and roll it on a flat surface. How much stress can these take...launch a 600lb quad plus rider over 100 foot jump...landing front wheels first, full collapse of suspension and drive away with no damage...pretty much more than any average rider/driver is going to push them.

http://thumb16.webshots.net/s/thumb1/0/ ... twC_th.jpg" ."..

My testing grounds... 75ft double.
http://thumb16.webshots.net/t/46/46/7/2 ... APR_th.jpg" ."..

Using different set ups...flat track, MX, hare scrambles, trails, dunes...the rods held.
http://thumb16.webshots.net/t/32/32/7/8 ... lLA_th.jpg" ."..

I produced over 1000 pairs, only had 2 failures and those were flaws in the metal...both under extreme stress under racing conditions. G out on one and hitting hole on the track at 45mph...the G-out only bent the rod, racer continued on to finish...the hole caused the rod to snap at the thread, complete failure (yes it hut...it was me) truth be known, I don't think anything else would have held together either...LOL

One issue though for some is the weight of these...they are much heavier than a stock rod and really overkill for the average rider/driver... I do know a guy who makes them from stainless steel alloy...very cool looking, not over-kill on strength but still much stronger than a stock or sleeved tie-rod and less weight than the HD rods...It really all depends on what your needs/use and desire for bling bling are...


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:07 am 
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I have 100% success rate by modifying the stock Pilot tie rods http://www.pilotodyssey.com/tierod.htm bent my Pilot tie rod the first race I raced my Pilot in back in 1996, did the mod havent bent a tie rod since.

Never seen heard of anybody bending a Pilot or Odyssey tie rod without hitting something, I clipped a stump hidden in the weeds when I bent mine the first time.

How much your tie rods cost ?

My mod cost about 5 bux in material for a DIY guy.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:11 pm 
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hoser wrote:
I have 100% success rate by modifying the stock Pilot tie rods http://www.pilotodyssey.com/tierod.htm" .".. bent my Pilot tie rod the first race I raced my Pilot in back in 1996, did the mod havent bent a tie rod since.

Never seen heard of anybody bending a Pilot or Odyssey tie rod without hitting something, I clipped a stump hidden in the weeds when I bent mine the first time.

How much your tie rods cost ?

My mod cost about 5 bux in material for a DIY guy.



Depends on the cost of steel and labor cost at your local machine shop and when they have time to run them through the CNC and a laeth (that can do reverse threads)... The design behind these is to have some give for hard hits, have a bending point and have a location for that bend so that it minimizes damage to other areas...it's not a "skillbilly" fix I think was the phrase I learned from ya...Love that word by the way, about blew my coffee out my nose when I read that one...LOL.

Back when I was making them, I made them for DiamongGRacing (distributer) and I think they sold them for $90...He had me powder coat or chrome plate them...I only make my own anymore, so like you said...for me it'a a $5 to $10 fix...if anyone has access to a machine shop it's probably about the same for them to answer your question on cost...


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:47 pm 
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KTM265 wrote:
I can have a set of HD tie-rods made for you...the are 3/4 inch stress resistant...they will flex some but not much and they can take a hell of a lot of abuse. I use to make them for the Kawasaki KFX700 which was well known for it's weakass tie-rods. Probably made over 1000 sets for owners...


Ok I willl ask again how much?

I was under the impression you were going to make these not me?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:00 pm 
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I've heard of stressproof but not "stress resistant".

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... UZxLE5OVfQ


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:20 pm 
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hoser wrote:
KTM265 wrote:
I can have a set of HD tie-rods made for you...the are 3/4 inch stress resistant...they will flex some but not much and they can take a hell of a lot of abuse. I use to make them for the Kawasaki KFX700 which was well known for it's weakass tie-rods. Probably made over 1000 sets for owners...


Ok I willl ask again how much?

I was under the impression you were going to make these not me?


I can, however I think you called me a "rookie" and I'm "under the impression" that you don't think I know what I'm doing, so no...I'll be making a set for my own needs, offer to help others on how they can make them...Anyone who wants help with their own tie-rods can drop me a PM.


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