but even with the tank and pump set up like the stock, why wouldn't the Engine fire when i put starting fluid directly into the spark plug hole and reed valve? and again, how to i do a compression and leakdown test?

what does "WOT (Wide Open Throttle)" mean?

and i still don't understand what to do to test compression

what does "WOT (Wide Open Throttle)" mean?

i still don't understand how to do a compression test

wide open throttle

Ohhh gotcha... anybody care to tell me how to do a compression test?

You need to purchase a compression tool from pep boys or auto zone or another parts store. Remove spark plug after warming Engine up, thread in fitting, attach gauge, crank starter with throttle held wide open for about 10 seconds.

Ask your self this question - How does my Engine get lubrication????? ............................. The answer is - It is a 2 cycle, the oil is mixed in the gas. If you use starting fluid it does not contain any oil. It will evaporate fast and actually dissolve oil. This leaves you Engine in a lean condition with no oil to lube the piston rings and the cylinder wall. that is a bad thing. Stop using starting fluid and use a little premixed fuel. You should be using a quality premix oil - not the stuff from walmart - and mix it 32 parts gas to 1 part oil. And follow all safety precautions when handling fuel.

Please feel free to ask any questions you have. Lot of good guys here to help.

I don't want to come across as a smart a$$. When I got my first FL250 years ago I had to learn a lot. You need to download a manual and read it.

how much does a compression gauge go for?

also I have no clue as the oil and gas mixing problem so if its not to much to ask could someone maybe give me an in depth explanation on how to fix that problem?

so I just came back in from testing and I got three snorts.. yay.. unfortunately the starter died a couple days ago and I have now referred to the pull start. what fun. I didn't use starting fluid but still don't know what Im supposed to do with the gas and oil mixing and stuff. I thought odyssey ran on straight gas? so today I just used a spray bottle of gas and put a lot of that in the spark plug hole but that had no affect as usual :(

You need to mix gas with 2 cycle oil @32:1 .
Drain any gas which does not have oil in it. Drain any old gas. You can goto the hardware store and get a measuring cup for mixing 2 stroke oil with gas. Use fresh gas and oil. Using the pull start sucks but if that's what ya gotta do....

Keep us posted...

hey sorry to bother you guys again but what could possibly be the reason for the "snorts"? why would it just do one fire randomly? it just doesn't make sense to me

Snorts? Are you capable of roving the carb, disassembling it, clean it, and put it back together.mix some fresh fuel and make sure all the fuel lines don't have any cracks in them , clean fuel filter. You need to make sure fuel is going into the carb via the line. If you have no fuel it will never run. Where are you what state/ city?

New Hampshire and snorts meaning it will have one, hissing fire of the Engine but that's it. and ive already disassembled and soaked the carburetor in carb cleaner as well as cleaning all jets. the fuel flow fine into the carb and there are no holes in the lines.

just a btw; since there is no vacuum line necessary, that hole mists gas a little bit. is that normal?

You shouldn't have misting of gas coming from anywhere... If its coming from the port behind the clutch where the fuel pump hooks up its not good... A compression tester should cost you $25+ dollars. Get one that screws into the head where the plug goes and follow directions given earlier in this thread and tell us your compression.dis you trim the spark plug wire? Anybody out there in New Hampshire that can give kiwi a hand maybe?

Also check your wiring that comes out of the pull start side of the Engine down low. That's the stator/ alternator is behind the pullstart. Look at those 6 or so wiresake sure none are broken or bare...

So did everyone miss the oart where he said he thought it ran on straight gas! !!!!!!! Lol holy crap man

Kiwi - Download a manual and read it. Post some pictures of your fl350.

http://g2buggy.g2-innovations.com/gentech/manuals.htm

I have not owned a 350 for a while, but shouldn't he get the starter fixed first, in order to get a good compression reading? Thought the pull start would not provide a correct reading......

Yep, for good comp test results the e-starter is the best.

But I recommend for "Kiwi" a heavy dose of "DROP EVERYTHING & LEARN THE BASICS OF 2-STROKES" right away before the knowledge gap starts kicking him in the wallet!!


Few basics here before you start costing yourself $100's of issues...

1. 2-strokes use a mix of fuel and 2-stroke oil, generally a 32:1 gas:oil mix. Some vehicles (like the FL350) require pre-mix (tank holds gas/oil mix). While other vehicles like snowmobiles have a separate oil reservoir for oil and pump/inject it into the Engine. If you don't know what's in the tank and/or it might be wrong, DRAIN IT and put in FRESH pre-mix with the correct ratio. Get good quality 2-stroke oil. Good stuff costs ~$40/gallon, but remember that at 32:1 ratio, you're only using 4-oz of oil per 1-gal fuel. Also, today's ethanol blended fuels contain ethanol (duh). This stuff turns into a gummy varnish after sitting untouched for as little as 1-month.

2. Heat is the 2-stroke's worst enemy. Lean conditions is the easiest way to get too much heat. And air leaks are the easiest way to get too lean. Runner up would be incorrect carb jetting. Learn how to do a LEAKDOWN TEST on your Engine before you try to start it.

3. Even if you've got air, fuel, and spark...you still need COMPRESSION in your Engine. Like someone mentioned, get a compression gage from the parts store or Harbor Freight. If you don't have comp, you're wasting your time, patience and energy trying to start this sucker.

4. Pull your carb apart and check the main jet # and pilot jet #. Verify they're right for your modifications and altitude.

5. Check your wiring, especially the functionality of your kill switch. If you get this Engine started and it starts to rev out of control (aka: lean condition death rev), you want to be able to kill this Engine before its too late.

6. Download the manual & read it (ignore the recommended 20:1 fuel/oil ratio), read through this site, and learn as much as you can.

7. **STOP USING STARTING FLUID**STOP USING STARTING FLUID**STOP USING STARTING FLUID**

8. Most importantly, don't get frustrated. So its your first 2-stroke - who cares? Everyone starts somewhere!

Edit...one more!

9. Come to terms with the fact that owning a 2-stroke requires some maintenance & money.

KIWI - you stated above that you put a lot of plain fuel in the spark plug hole. Given the fact that you were not running oil in your fuel - you have probably wore your Engine out. without oil to lube the moving internal parts they have probably gotten hot and have excessive wear. I believe I read you noticed a mist of fuel coming out of the fuel pump pulse line. That is probably due to the fuel you pored in the spark plug hole - the fuel has probably ran to the bottom of the Engine dissolving any oil that the poor bottom had left and I'm sure you internal Engine parts are now dry as a bone.

You probably need to deal with the fact that the Engine is shot due to no oil in the fuel. If you keep turning it over you will only continue to damage. Hopefully your crank is not ruined. It time for a rebuild. If you want to try it your self we will help as much as we can. If you need some one to do it for you may want to ask hoser. you need someone who understand the old school 2cycle engines. If your not using the fuel pump then the pulse line hole needs to be capped off. And I haven't even mentioned the damage running an Engine without a air cleaner can do.

I would say at least, you will need a bore job, complete gasket set, piston, rings, crank bearings and seals. You need to read the manual like I have told you at least 3 times. Price the parts you may need and go from there.

there are a lot of good rebuild post here and plenty of pictures - spend some time searching and reading this site.

Whats your compression ?

sorry I couldn't respond earlier, I had school then lacrosse ran late, but I have had the manual the entire time and read it multiple times. the Engine start trouble-shooting page was the first thing I read and tried, but then I read pretty much the rest of the book.

I will test compression when my mom takes me out to buy a gauge or my friend might have one.

not to be pushy but I still don't understand why one minute it was running well, and the next it wouldn't do the smallest fire. explanation?

as to the entire Engine rebuild, how much would that cost for me to do and how easy would it be. im not the smartest when it comes to these engines, but I do know quite a bit. and if I were to get hoser or whoever to do it for me, how much would that cost?

and are you all certain that the Engine is completely ruined? I would hate that to be the case because idk if I could afford to pay for all the parts because ive already been cut off from my moms financial help. this goes back to the question of how could the Engine have been working fine one minute, then be completely shot the next?

ill work on getting pictures now... any specific shots you want? or just overall Engine shots? ill try to post them in a few

I think everyone I have ever been involved with, that has a 2 cycle that had Engine problem, always feels it was running great up until the moment it stopped.

No one knows for sure the Engine is shot, but with no oil I can't be good. Take it a step at a time. I now understand you are young and i know money is tight when going to school. Do you know anyone who may have a compression tester you could borrow? Measuring your compression is the place to start.

yes my friends dad (the mechanic/inventor) has a compression tester and hes coming over tomorrow at around noonish to help me out again.

the pics are coming, I just need to load them onto my comp but im looking for the adapter piece :l

these are some of the pics... two or three more to come