Found an article in an old Jan 1984 dirt wheels magazine about a company called Pro ATV in California that made Phantom 3's based on an Odyssey. The one in the article is blue and white, with a wing on the back, and was built for racing the baja 1000. Does anybody still have one, or any info or pics available ? ...a member named Tripp had one and sold it to Hauss, from what i've found out on the internet ?!

Pic from magazine

no pic :(

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I owned 1 10 years ago. The car is small its a tight fit for anyone over 6 feet. It was powered by a watercooled hybrid fl250 fl350 Engine. it had the cases of a fl250 with the crank and rod of a fl350 with a water cooled cylinder and head of a fl350. The frame was all cromolly and the shocks were pregressive suspension. the fron was 10 inches of travel with dual j-arms like fl350. The tranny was a center mounted fl250 with a swing axle design rear suspension with 8 inches of travel. I put a 440 cyuna ultralite Engine in it then sold it. VERY VERY STUPID ON MY PART. But hey when your 19 and you don't know what u have that stuff happends. The moddified fl350 fl350 Engine went into a challenger car and was sold as well. I know i know don't remind me

The car in your pics was a phantom 2 by the way. see how it has the fl250 front j-arms.

Heres the article from the magazine...pg.1

Page 2

...and the Pro-atv advertisement from the magazine showing the Phantom 1, 2, and 3...

...all these articles are from the january 1984 Dirt Wheels Magazine, so i'm guessing there were upgrades to suspension, etc, in later yr's. I've always wanted a honda pilot, but could never find one in canada in decent shape, or for a reasonable price. When i saw the Phantom in this 1984 mag i found, i've wanted to build something similar ever since, with a newer Engine, and probably some suspension upgrades...anybody know where a decent odyssey/pilot frame, or a cheap/needs work odyssey/pilot might be for sale ?

I bet they did do upgrades heres some pics i found online of a phantom 3 like I owned

Cool pics... how does it compare to an odyssey/pilot ?

Doesn't Moskito have 3 of these cars,or am I mistaking THOSE STADIUM CARS for this?

Nope he owns 3 of the briggs built gen IV cars

Does anyone have specs on the length, width etc of the Phantom 3, compared to an odyssey or pilot ? I want to build something similar, that will fit in the back of a standard size pick up truck ( found these specs for the fl350, and the pilot from this website http://www.efadgroup.com/Odyssey%20World/specs.htm ) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------FL-350R Specifications

Engine: Air Cooled, 329.1cc, 2 Stroke, Single Cylinder
Bore and Stroke: 78.5mm x 68mm
Carburetor: 32mm Piston value, Reed Valve
Ignition: Capacitor Discharge, 17.0dg BTDC at 2,000rpm
Sparkplug: NGK BR9ES. 0.7 to 0.8mm
Starter: 12V Electric and Pull Start, Recoil Type
Electrical: 12V-160 W @5,000 rpm
Clutch: Automatic
Transmission: V-Belt Torque Converter with Forward, Neutral and Reverse via Stick Shift in Cockpit
Suspension: 4 Wheel Independent Suspension
Length: 85.0 inches
Width: 58.1 inches
Height: 60.6 inches
Wheelbase: 56.5 inches
Ground Clearance: 8.3 inches
Fuel Capacity: 3.8 Gallons at 20 to 1 (Now 32 to1)
Tires: (F) 21 x 7.0 - 10 (R) 24 x 11 - 10
Rim Bolt Pattern: 10x5 4/110 (F) 10x8 4/130 (R)
Brakes: Front, Dual Hydraulic. Rear, Single Hydraulic
Parking Brake: Cable Actuated Disc
Dry Weight: 602.0 pounds
Head Light: Two 12V head lights with High and Low beam mounted on front cockpit bar. 25 Watts x 2
Tail Light: 12V - 5 Watt
Color: Passion Red, Gull White, Gold and Blue
Speed: Reported up to 60 mph.
MSRP: $3985.00
Average Used Price: $2100 to $3400.00 and up -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------FL-400R Pilot Specifications

Engine: Water Cooled, 397.1cc, 2 Stroke, Single Cylinder
Bore and Stroke: 80mm x 79mm
Compression: 6:2.1
Carburetor: 32mm Piston value, Reed Valve
Coolant Capacity: 2.16 quarts
Ignition: Capacitor Discharge, 17.0dg BTDC at 2,000rpm
Sparkplug: NGK BR7ES. 0.7 to 0.8mm
Starter: 12V Electric and Pull Start, Recoil Type
Electrical: 12V-160 W @5,000 rpm
Clutch: Automatic
Transmission: V-Belt Torque Converter with Forward, Neutral and Reverse via Stick Shift in Cockpit
Suspension: 4 Wheel Independent A-arm Suspension
Length: 96.4 inches
Width: 50.5 inches
Height: 57.2 inches
Wheelbase: 62.2 inches
Ground Clearance: 9.3 inches
Fuel Capacity: 4.23 Gallons
Tires: (F) 22 x 7.0 - 10 (R) 24 x 11 - 10
Rim Bolt Pattern: 10x5 4/110 (F) 10x8 4/130 (R)
Brakes: Front, Dual Hydraulic. Rear, Single Hydraulic
Dry Weight: 1989 - 592.5 1990 - 605.0 pounds
Head Light: Two round, 12V head lights with High and Low beam mounted on front fenders. 25 Watts x 2
Tail Light: 12V - 5 Watt
Color: Monza Red with White Wheels
Speed: Reported up to 70 mph with mods.
MSRP: $5799.00
Average Used Price: $4300 (if you're lucky) to $13,000

Electrical: 12V-160 W @5,000 rpm ????? Pilot
Should be:12V-200 W @ 5,000 rpm.Pilot

Does the Phantom front suspension work as well as an a-arm style ?

What type of Engine would be best for a homebuilt project ? A 600cc streetbike Engine would be nice, but not sure about wanting a 6 speed gearbox. A Doner sled might be a god option - Engine, transfer case etc... Any other idea's ??

Found an old frame / project
dirt cheap, ...now to transform
it into something trick !
Lots of different designs and
engines to put in.

Has anybody run an 83/84
ATC 250R aircooled setup
in one ?

Skip the transfer case, and
just run the chain drive to
some modded CV's / independant
suspension

...have one that was free,
and can easily port, mod it,
and build a better pipe.

I have seen the FL250 crank cases welded up, modified to accept and run the 81-84 ATC250R top ends I have never personally seen one run but after owning both FL250's and a 1983 ATC250R since new I bet it is a huge improvement over the FL250 top end, its the same bore and stroke its just getting it bolted up and sealed up is the trick, a friend of mine seen this setup run before and says it kicked ass back in the early racing days.

You might find some more Pro Atv pics searching my site take a look.
https://www.google.com/search?q=proatv+ ... 67&bih=657

Hey they talk about the "water cooled Suzuki top end" so is there a water cooled top end out there that will bolt up to the fl350 bottom end?? Or was this Engine bastarsized from all different parts??

I would assume that was a Suzuki top end that was bolted to the super case bottom end.

in that article its a fl250 bottom end they are using

This buggy has some cool rear
suspension designs.
The steering is underneath though,
limiting ground clearance.

Have a VW steering box, but
thinking a rack and pinion
might be better ?

What's the best steering setup ?

I like the steering found on the stock Pilots and Odysseys myself, light weight, simple, strong, reliable, inexpensive.

Having your steering hang out where it can get ripped off or damaged does not make much sense for a off road machine, my guess is these were raced on groomed tracks where you didnt have to worry about a large rock damaging them.

I asked Renni Awana when he was racing the SODA series in WI if they ever raced the stadium lites in desert races his reply was NO I asked why he said "they are too fragile of a car"

You have any better scans of them pics, what year and magazine they come from?