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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:59 pm 
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Up for sale is a 100% stock 1989 Pilot with around 1 hour running time. I'm the second owner and the original owner purchased it as a leftover at the end of 1992 with all original paperwork and receipt.

Basically he drained the tank and started it once a year and let it idle for around 20 minutes. It still has the little nubs on the side of all the tires. I was amazed at how clean and nice it is. A few minor scuffs on the fenders from sitting boxes on it and that's about it. Only "mod" is a fishnet like thing around the air snorkle. The battery is new (was taken off the buggy).

I'm looking for a trade for a nice Pilot plus cash for this one or a straight cash deal of $10,000 OBO. Only reason I'm selling is I don't need one this nice (I really don't want to ride it). I would rather have a clean, reliable Pilot as opposed to a show piece. All I've done with it is wipe it down with a damp micro fiber towel.

Here are some pics. Again I apologize for the quality of the photos, all I had at the time was my cell phone. The buggy is located one hour from me in Mineral, VA 23117. Thanks!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:16 pm 
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Wow! That is a show piece. Put the sucker on ebay and the right buyer (collector) might pay well over $10k.

Is this the same buggy that was for sale in Maryland a few years ago by chance?

Good luck with the sale - interested to see where this thing winds up (my guess is somewhere on the West Coast or in Mudbogger's living room).

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:22 pm 
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I thought I would offer it up here to collectors first as I'm hoping for a partial trade. Nope, this wasn't in MD, it was in OH and the guy was the original owner (paperwork from dealer verified it).


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:01 pm 
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If I wasn't dead set on buying a boat, I'd be looking to trade up.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:06 pm 
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Guys,I have 4 trailer queens right now. 2 have never even seen the ground to date(both on workhorses)and honestly they are such a pain in the ass to keep up I would never do it again. Sorry but this Pilot will not be residing in Nj at Mudshouse.Good luck with the sale!!!


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:09 pm 
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What are the last 6 digits of the VIN? I'd be interested in knowing what number Pilot this is.


Ok guys - here is a golden opportunity to pay Hoser back for keeping this site alive for all these years. I need 100 board members to each kick in $100 and we deliver this Pilot to Hoser!

Anybody?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:21 pm 
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PilotNut wrote:
What are the last 6 digits of the VIN? I'd be interested in knowing what number Pilot this is.


Per the dealer invoice they are 003547


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:45 pm 
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Mudbogger wrote:
Guys,I have 4 trailer queens right now. 2 have never even seen the ground to date(both on workhorses)and honestly they are such a pain in the ass to keep up I would never do it again. Sorry but this Pilot will not be residing in Nj at Mudshouse.Good luck with the sale!!!



Pics please! :)


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:08 pm 
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Is that the same like new Pilot that was listed a few weeks ago for $7,000 in Ohio....now its $10,000????


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:20 am 
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How about $10000 shipped to the UK :-)


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:52 pm 
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DC wrote:
Is that the same like new Pilot that was listed a few weeks ago for $7,000 in Ohio....now its $10,000????


Yep, that's the one I picked up. It was actually more than that after expenses, an 18 hour round trip and the outrageous PA and OH turnpike tolls. Did I get a great deal? Yes, I would say so. Do I want to make some money off of it potentially? Yes

I have the original receipt from where the original owner purchased it for $4,919.47. Did I say "you paid $4,919.47 and now it's worth $7,000"? Nope, because that's life. Last I checked, no Pilots like this have rolled off the assembly line since 1990.

Me trying to make some extra cash on this Pilot is no different than the guys who had the vision to buy up Pilot side panels for $182 but now wouldn't part with them for three to four times that amount. Supply and demand govern prices and it's worth whatever someone will pay for it.

I based the $10K price tag based on advice from others here on the forum when I asked how much it was worth. Would I sell it for less than that? Yes, that's why it's listed as $10K or OBO. Would I sell it for $7,500. NOPE!


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:55 pm 
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david_phillips95 wrote:
How about $10000 shipped to the UK :-)


Not right now, although I would be glad to crate and ship. We have a loading dock and a fork lift so that's not an issue. I once shipped a bone stock 1988 250R to Puerto Rico, so shipping is not an issue.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:03 pm 
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I do not think there is anything wrong with you buying something for a good price, and then trying to sell it for what the market will bear..I hope you make a mint on it..congrats on the score.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:33 pm 
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Personally I hope it takes a while and you only break even, or loose a little. As soon as I hear some dick rambling on about supply and demand, turns my stomach. This isn't a supply and demand website 22! What's your other job? you standing outside a benefit concert hoking tickets at 3 times face value? I wish someone who wanted to ride the thing and become apart of POOA had gotten it at $7000. Glad we wont be keeping you as a member too long!
Worst of luck,
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:01 pm 
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Hey tad..why don't you tell number22 how you really feel? LOL
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:58 pm 
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tadrad wrote:
Personally I hope it takes a while and you only break even, or loose a little. As soon as I hear some dick rambling on about supply and demand, turns my stomach. This isn't a supply and demand website 22! What's your other job? you standing outside a benefit concert hoking tickets at 3 times face value? I wish someone who wanted to ride the thing and become apart of POOA had gotten it at $7000. Glad we wont be keeping you as a member too long!
Worst of luck,
tadrad... :-)



Thanks. I'm asking $10K or OBO. Remember, this is a for sales thread; if you are not interested, please move along. I could have posted this on ebay, but I would much rather see it go to someone here on the forum. Heck I would prefer a trade plus a little $. If it doesn't sell, it doesn't really matter, I'll just keep it and ride it. I'm glad this forum exists as pretty much everyone has been helpful and I'm sure I'll have more technical questions when I either decide to keep it and run it or have another Pilot. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone, that was not my intention. Best of luck to you!


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:00 pm 
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Bought for $7000 now ant to sell for $10k WHAT?! That's terrible! You know what else really pisses me off? I bought $100 in groceries and then found out the supermarket got if for $70!!! I also bought a used car from a nice guy (that is till I found out the bastard bought it for less than he sold it for, that jerk). The real one that sticks in my craw is the guy who bought a painting at a yard sale dor $50 then sold it for over $1000. I can't stand these people who act prudently and make wise decisions with their money without consulting me first. How are we going to get this country entire country on food stamps and loose our place as greatest nation on earth with entrepreneurs like This Number22 clown!!!?!?!


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:14 pm 
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I got to admit I love the full documentation on this Pilot. I would have several questions/reservations as to a purchase of it.
#1- Engine. In the description it is noted the Engine has 1 hr ride time, and it has been started over it's years of storage. Has the Engine had a compression check and air leak down test performed on it since the recent purchase? Improper lubrication from lack of running time on the bearings will cause pitting in some case scenarios. These Engine seals will go bad as well from sitting for extended periods, and if that Engine was not broken in those rings may have never seated at all, or due to non use they may have rusted on the wall of the cylinder between starts. Since the previous owner is not here to give a detailed account of where the pilot was stored one could bring up these questions when purchasing. At the current price tag I think they are reasonable to be asked.
#2-CLEAN TITLE? Huge for a guy like me. Not to be rude but for 10,000.00 I'll need a title for sure.
#3-Fluids. Again the non use of the Pilot the brake fluid will go bad, and there is potential for the coolant if not properly mixed to freeze if not stored in a heated garage or area. These are unknown elements that a purchaser would need to look into, if that jug has a hairline crack internally a potential client would be steaming mad if he had to invest any other monies.
#4 -Storage. Was the Pilot in a cold storage area, or heated? Garage? Rodents will get into the exhaust and make a new home, they can chew areas of harnesses that perhaps a purchaser does not or inadvertently overlooks.
These of coarse are all scenarios and may not be factors with this particular Pilot, but 1 might be compelled to ask. Now from personal experiences with my trailer queens to drain the gas each and every time after starting the Engine does not happen and if this did happen with the previous owner of this Pilot it might be a stretch. I fill just the carb and run it out each and every time and it is time consuming to say the least. Most would not do so and IMHO just leave the fuel in the tank. In these times people just do not have the time. I know I for sure do not!
As to making a profit off the sale of the Pilot that is not my place to serve judgement. There have been worse things happen.Good luck with the sale.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:27 pm 
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Mudbogger wrote:
I got to admit I love the full documentation on this Pilot. I would have several questions/reservations as to a purchase of it.
#1- Engine. In the description it is noted the Engine has 1 hr ride time, and it has been started over it's years of storage. Has the Engine had a compression check and air leak down test performed on it since the recent purchase? Improper lubrication from lack of running time on the bearings will cause pitting in some case scenarios. These Engine seals will go bad as well from sitting for extended periods, and if that Engine was not broken in those rings may have never seated at all, or due to non use they may have rusted on the wall of the cylinder between starts. Since the previous owner is not here to give a detailed account of where the pilot was stored one could bring up these questions when purchasing. At the current price tag I think they are reasonable to be asked.
#2-CLEAN TITLE? Huge for a guy like me. Not to be rude but for 10,000.00 I'll need a title for sure.
#3-Fluids. Again the non use of the Pilot the brake fluid will go bad, and there is potential for the coolant if not properly mixed to freeze if not stored in a heated garage or area. These are unknown elements that a purchaser would need to look into, if that jug has a hairline crack internally a potential client would be steaming mad if he had to invest any other monies.
#4 -Storage. Was the Pilot in a cold storage area, or heated? Garage? Rodents will get into the exhaust and make a new home, they can chew areas of harnesses that perhaps a purchaser does not or inadvertently overlooks.
These of coarse are all scenarios and may not be factors with this particular Pilot, but 1 might be compelled to ask. Now from personal experiences with my trailer queens to drain the gas each and every time after starting the Engine does not happen and if this did happen with the previous owner of this Pilot it might be a stretch. I fill just the carb and run it out each and every time and it is time consuming to say the least. Most would not do so and IMHO just leave the fuel in the tank. In these times people just do not have the time. I know I for sure do not!
As to making a profit off the sale of the Pilot that is not my place to serve judgement. There have been worse things happen.Good luck with the sale.


All valid questions and I would like to have them answered myself.

1. I have not had the Pilot tested for compression or leak down. I'm assuming I should have that done prior to starting and running the Pilot just to be safe. I don't have the equipment to do this but I'm assuming it wouldn't cost too much to have a Honda dealer check this.

2. I'm not sure if OH generates titles for offroad vehicles like this. I'll email the original owner and see what he has. I'm confident it's been paid off after almost 20 years though.

3 & 4. I do have a good feel for these. The Pilot was kept in his attached, insulated garage at his house. The address on the invoice matches where I picked it up, so I'm pretty sure it was always kept there. This guy was an insane neat freek; his garage was completely clean. I'm going to change all the fluids prior to doing anything with it. He said that he would mix enough gas to start it and then let it run itself out. He said he did this once a year and it was last done back in January of this year. He only had about 2 acres and thus he really didn't have anywhere to ride.

Again thanks for the advice and the input. I'll post a thread in the tech section as to recommended fluids and pre-mix ratio.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:46 am 
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Number22 wrote:
Mudbogger wrote:
I got to admit I love the full documentation on this Pilot. I would have several questions/reservations as to a purchase of it.
#1- Engine. In the description it is noted the Engine has 1 hr ride time, and it has been started over it's years of storage. Has the Engine had a compression check and air leak down test performed on it since the recent purchase? Improper lubrication from lack of running time on the bearings will cause pitting in some case scenarios. These Engine seals will go bad as well from sitting for extended periods, and if that Engine was not broken in those rings may have never seated at all, or due to non use they may have rusted on the wall of the cylinder between starts. Since the previous owner is not here to give a detailed account of where the pilot was stored one could bring up these questions when purchasing. At the current price tag I think they are reasonable to be asked.
#2-CLEAN TITLE? Huge for a guy like me. Not to be rude but for 10,000.00 I'll need a title for sure.
#3-Fluids. Again the non use of the Pilot the brake fluid will go bad, and there is potential for the coolant if not properly mixed to freeze if not stored in a heated garage or area. These are unknown elements that a purchaser would need to look into, if that jug has a hairline crack internally a potential client would be steaming mad if he had to invest any other monies.
#4 -Storage. Was the Pilot in a cold storage area, or heated? Garage? Rodents will get into the exhaust and make a new home, they can chew areas of harnesses that perhaps a purchaser does not or inadvertently overlooks.
These of coarse are all scenarios and may not be factors with this particular Pilot, but 1 might be compelled to ask. Now from personal experiences with my trailer queens to drain the gas each and every time after starting the Engine does not happen and if this did happen with the previous owner of this Pilot it might be a stretch. I fill just the carb and run it out each and every time and it is time consuming to say the least. Most would not do so and IMHO just leave the fuel in the tank. In these times people just do not have the time. I know I for sure do not!
As to making a profit off the sale of the Pilot that is not my place to serve judgement. There have been worse things happen.Good luck with the sale.


All valid questions and I would like to have them answered myself.

1. I have not had the Pilot tested for compression or leak down. I'm assuming I should have that done prior to starting and running the Pilot just to be safe. I don't have the equipment to do this but I'm assuming it wouldn't cost too much to have a Honda dealer check this.

2. I'm not sure if OH generates titles for offroad vehicles like this. I'll email the original owner and see what he has. I'm confident it's been paid off after almost 20 years though.

3 & 4. I do have a good feel for these. The Pilot was kept in his attached, insulated garage at his house. The address on the invoice matches where I picked it up, so I'm pretty sure it was always kept there. This guy was an insane neat freek; his garage was completely clean. I'm going to change all the fluids prior to doing anything with it. He said that he would mix enough gas to start it and then let it run itself out. He said he did this once a year and it was last done back in January of this year. He only had about 2 acres and thus he really didn't have anywhere to ride.

Again thanks for the advice and the input. I'll post a thread in the tech section as to recommended fluids and pre-mix ratio.


I commend you sir for the quick reply and being pro-active on these inquiries about the Pilot. It is a nice piece indeed and I wish you great success in the sale of it. I would be curious as to the titling of it in the home state it was sold originally. If I did not have so many I might be interested ! to be blunt but with 4 current 'trailer queens" I have limited floor space and my wife does not like the idea of another Pilot in the kitchen!!!!! Again best of luck!


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I purchased my pilot in Ohio used and didn't get a title, I buy and sell guns so as far as the "deal" goes I don't have a issue. I wonder if anyone who objects to this would sell me their Pilots and Oddies? I mean how do you determine market value? In the gun world its what the market will bring, asking is one thing, getting is another. I don't think I would ever spend that on one unless there was a "collector" market for them. I am looking at the new Artic Cat Wildcat, but its $16500, but man is it cool...........


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Does OHIO issue a "certificate of origin"?? for atv's? Some in the northeast call these 'titles" like myself.


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Thanks for the positive replies to the thread and well wishes. I've emailed the original owner on the additional details but haven't heard back yet. If I keep it or sell it, I would love to have that information and whoever runs it (myself or someone else), I want to see the correct measures taken to make sure it runs well after its long hibernation.


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Hi:

I´m interesting....
Can give your email to contact....??

Tnx

Gonzalo


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