Ordered on on partzilla the other day and got email today stating no longer available.

I just ordered a set from Marv 4x4tuff.com and he only had one tuff belt left.

Maybe its time to get a group buy together with Marv.

Weren't Marv's Kevlar belts made by comet?

I picked up the last comet belt that Randy at Odyssey Salvage had a few months back

It seemed shorter than my other Pilot belt, but Randy assured me it was the correct part

Marv told me they are made out of a special compound, the same kind of rubber used for belts for rock crushers is what I was told. I know the one I have used in the past have worked well for me.

Give him a call - he love to talk and will tell you all about them. he's a great guy.

http://4x4tuff.com/piodst.html

949-208-1290

Does anyone have a 4x4Tuff belt to look at? Or photos of one?

If it's a comet belt, I'd like to know the part numbers to check mine against

Looking for OEM Mitsubishi if anyone has still in packaging they want to sell. Thanks.

Did you boot B (inner) come back "no longer available"? Mine did

Service Honda show the belt as discontinued as well but their website hasnt seem to been up to date here lately.

Both boots came back unavailable, guess partzilla wasn't up to date, Service Honda shows discontinued. Guess its empi boots.

The empi boot have worked well for me.

Okay, I found the belt I got from Randy

According to him, this is the Kevlar belt from comet

The part #'s are as follows:

3000638 704061 (Large numbers)
4708-362 (smaller numbers)

According to one of Hosers links older links...the Comet Salisbury part # is 704058 and he links to 4x4tuff in the same link

The comet seems to be a slightly longer belt than my Dayco 1121 and when I asked him about it, he said it was for the larger diameter when running a 102 clutch

Does anyone else have a recent 4x4tuff belt that can confirm the part #'s?

Marv is such a great guy I'm only waiting for a Pilot pipe for 15 years, I'm sure it's just lost in the mail. I orderd works shocks and a pipe from him over 15 years ago I got the shocks (terrible springs and valving) and the pipe never made it. He doesn't stock 99 percent of his parts he is just an Internet middle man click and ship.

Wow 15 years - I have only bought the tuff belts from him. I have always enjoyed talking to him - he will talk your ear off. He is currently out of tuff belts and as far as I know is not ordering anymore. My 2 or 3 transactions with him have went well. Why would the works shocks be bad ordered from Marv? do you think they were just ordered to a incorrect weight?

Shocks are way to stiff.

It says Quality Drive Systems Tuff Belt 400 1709-363 on the tuff belt. There are many types of other belts out there that say they fit the pilot but these are the exact same width and length of the OEM. I feel that these are just a slight bit more durable than the OEM Mitsubishi one. This seriously goes out to all Pilot owners. We need to try to get enough people to do a group buy to get Marv to have more made or maybe Marv could tell us where they were being made so someone else can do a run of them. Also I had to call ATV Racing because I heard that they had a part that I needed. This was about 2 months ago. Neil told me then that Honda had discontinued the belts. He did have a few left of the OEM belts and he quoted me $165.00 plus shipping. I said no thank you and bought the other part that I needed. Talk about a rip off.

You can get the belts from quality drive systems in california. If those are the tuff belts everyone speaks of then i know where to get them.

I talked to Roy from Quality Drive Systems today. He said that the last time they did a mandrel run of the belts they up fronted the cost for Marv. This time they need the money upfront to do a run and Marv did not want to do that. He said that he did just mail out the last one to someone that bought it from Marv. They would only charge for the amount of belts that they end up with which is usually 28-31 belts per run. They quoted me about $34 each plus shipping which is just under $1100. I don't have the cash to do this right now but maybe someone else does. The number on the belt that I put on the forum earlier is just like a lot number. Their part number is actually QDS-125. He said if someone wanted to do a run of these belts he could put any name on them or he could put TUFF 400 if you wanted to continue to use it. So Hoser we could be buying PilotOdyssey.com belts if you wanted to do this.

I would do it

Seems to me QD is just a distributor. I believe Carlisle is the manufacturer of the belt. They may offer a even better price.

I would only want to have a run of belts made going through Marv at 4x4 tuff he is the guy who has the personal contacts to have the belts made he also has the exact dimensions (honda spec) to make the belts too, Marv also knows what rubber and material compound to have the belts made to so the belts last the FIRST batch Marv had made didnt last and were low quality all belts after that are rock solid I have tried to tear them up on my 440 Pilot and have never had one fail yet.

Anybody have any experience with the belts that quality drive systems had made and is selling?

I wont be fronting any money for group buys but would participate in a group buy if Marv or someone else wanted to put together a group buy on belts you can put me down for 3 belts I only want to buy belts Marv supervised the fabrication of their is just too many grades and types of materials with these belts I do not want to live through another batch of bad belts warranted or not, Marv has it perfected why mess with perfection.

If someone wants to put the PilotOdyssey.com name on the belts I am ok with that but would rather see the 4X4 Tuff name on them just like the originals Marv had made.

Do you think Roy from quality drive lied to MAS and isn't the supplier for Marv?

The part that stinks to me is it appears Marv may be buying belts for $34.00 each and selling a pair for $145.00 delivered. So figure $10.00 shipping 145-10 is 135 - 2 belts at 34 each = $67.00 profit. And he won't front $1100.00. Makes not sense to me. If he has the inside knowledge and the contacts and walks away from 100 % profit - that's weird.

Look at it this way, based on a run of 30 belts - he spends 1020, takes 15 orders, at 145 each - 10 shipping = 135 x15 = 2025. When all sold he makes a profit of $1005.00

And he is all set up to do it on hid website.

Edit / addition - just to be clear I'm not concerned with Marv making a profit. I just don't understand why he will not front the low initial cost to make that profit. Perhaps there is more to it then I know.

I highly doubt Marv is a belt guru he is a Internet drop ship middle man. Im sure Roy at quality drive had these belts made for him what would he have to gain selling us 30 some belts for around 1000 dollars? What kind of profit can be in that?? All of us look out for eachother on this site and find the best deals we can and cut out the middle men who try to rip us off, we have done it with the local Honda stealer ships, ATVR, chucklenuts at aftershot motorspurts motorsports, all the ebay companies. Why not Marv? If its true that the belts cost 34 bucks each and he is selling them for 145 for two do the math. He doesn't seem like such a great upstanding guy to me.