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Hi! I just traded a very clean, well-built Blaster for an '85 FL350. I did it under the pretense of it being for the wife (yeah, ahem, right... :shock: ), and so now I have a nice little project! The first thing it will need is a carb rebuild or new carb. Does anyone know what size Keihin PWK or PJ will fit into the stock manifold? Will the throttle cable work? The carb on there now is old and leaky--salvageable, but I'd rather just swap in a new one. Also, any issues with just sticking a K&N with a prefilter over the back of the carb? Is the airbox necessary? Finally, the fuel pump seems to be on the fritz. Is OEM the way to go, or is there a better (or less expensive) aftermarket alternative. I can get 'er started by blowing on the vacuum line myself, but it doesn't seem to want to start on its own.. TIA!!


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The best thing would be to look in the tech section on the home page and then search the archives on this page welcome and good luck.


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Hi! I just traded a very clean, well-built Blaster for an '85 FL350. I did it under the pretense of it being for the wife (yeah, ahem, right... :shock: ), and so now I have a nice little project! The first thing it will need is a carb rebuild or new carb. Does anyone know what size Keihin PWK or PJ will fit into the stock manifold? Will the throttle cable work? The carb on there now is old and leaky--salvageable, but I'd rather just swap in a new one. Also, any issues with just sticking a K&N with a prefilter over the back of the carb? Is the airbox necessary? Finally, the fuel pump seems to be on the fritz. Is OEM the way to go, or is there a better (or less expensive) aftermarket alternative. I can get 'er started by blowing on the vacuum line myself, but it doesn't seem to want to start on its own.. TIA!!


Hi we have a bunch of FL350 gurus here so I will let them answer your specific questions about the 350, I will chime in on some of your generic questions.

Why do you think their is a problem with the fuel pump?

Here is some info I complied over the years on K&N filters. (follow the links on the pages)
http://pilotodyssey.com/K%26N.htm

http://www.dirtcheapracing.com/tech/airfilter/

I prefer keeping the airbox and adding pre filters. (follow the links on the pages)

http://pilotodyssey.com/prefilter.htm

http://pilotodyssey.com/prefilter2.htm

Have you check the compression?

Know any history on the machine, last rebuild, been setting for a long time with old gas?

You have a service manual, they come in handy for things like ensuring your fuel system is plumbed correctly.

Mudbogger and Nukem are both very knowledgeable about the fuel systems on the 350's hopefully they will chime in soon.


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Don't have a lot of history, other than it has a fresh bore. It's been sitting for a couple years, but it was brought back to life by the PO before I got it. I suspect the fuel pump becuase it will not start unless I disconnect the line and "blow" into it. It could also be that the carb is in poor shape internally (something I plan to address with a new carb).

Also, anyone have the Yuasa battery number that is applicable?

I'll try to search for most of these things, but I figure asking questions is okay as it keeps this forum going. ;o)


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Don't have a lot of history, other than it has a fresh bore. It's been sitting for a couple years, but it was brought back to life by the PO before I got it. I suspect the fuel pump becuase it will not start unless I disconnect the line and "blow" into it. It could also be that the carb is in poor shape internally (something I plan to address with a new carb).

Also, anyone have the Yuasa battery number that is applicable?

I'll try to search for most of these things, but I figure asking questions is okay as it keeps this forum going. ;o)



Here is the honda part number for the battery 31500-HA0-017 BATTERY (12V 10AH YUASA) $ 58.52 from Service Honda http://www.servicehonda.com/hard%20part ... s_old.html


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Welcome to the board. There is an aftermarket fuel pump, I think its a mikuni and can be alot cheaper than finding a stock replacement. Randy at odysseysalvage.com carries them. How is the condition of the gas tank? Many of them at this age get rust on the fuel lines and get small holes. This can lead to air in the lines and bogging or like on one of my 350's, it will just cut off once the gas level goes below 1/3 of a tank. Due to that alot of guys go with a gravity tank which would eliminate your need for a fuel pump altogether.

I have a 39mm PWK in one of my 350s, it fits but it was a tight fit to get it in there. I had to heat the manifold in boiling water and work it in. All of the keihin carbs will work with the stock throttle cable. Not sure about the mikunis. If you are going to go with a bigger carb you will want a bigger pipe as well to get the most out of it. Many say that removing the airbix can actually decrease performance, I have never tried it but the air box does a great job of keeping out water and derbies so I have never taken it off to find out. You can modify the air box to get more flow and still keep out all of the water.


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Sunblock wrote:
Welcome to the board. There is an aftermarket fuel pump, I think its a mikuni and can be alot cheaper than finding a stock replacement. Randy at odysseysalvage.com carries them. How is the condition of the gas tank? Many of them at this age get rust on the fuel lines and get small holes. This can lead to air in the lines and bogging or like on one of my 350's, it will just cut off once the gas level goes below 1/3 of a tank. Due to that alot of guys go with a gravity tank which would eliminate your need for a fuel pump altogether.

I have a 39mm PWK in one of my 350s, it fits but it was a tight fit to get it in there. I had to heat the manifold in boiling water and work it in. All of the keihin carbs will work with the stock throttle cable. Not sure about the mikunis. If you are going to go with a bigger carb you will want a bigger pipe as well to get the most out of it. Many say that removing the airbix can actually decrease performance, I have never tried it but the air box does a great job of keeping out water and derbies so I have never taken it off to find out. You can modify the air box to get more flow and still keep out all of the water.


Sunblock, thanks for the great tips! There is already an after-market pipe on there, so it is good to hear that I can put a bigger/better Keihin in there. After a more careful inspection (and a new battery), I noticed that one of the lines going to the pump was kinked. That could have easily explained the hard-start natrue of it. I also notice that the recoil-start rope is torn... That will be a priority item as well (wouldn't be very funny to get stuck far from camp with a low battery and no pull-starter...).

I went through the whole thing last night with rags, WD40, and some Honda Brite. She looks much, much better!! This is going to be fun... I hope my wallet can handle it... :-)


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If your going to replace the recoil rope I would buy the recoil rope from Honda since its not a standard size you can get at the local store.

The 39mm will fit but its tight http://www.pilotodyssey.com/39mm350.htm like Sunblock said boiling water to soften it up is the key.


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If your going to replace the recoil rope I would buy the recoil rope from Honda since its not a standard size you can get at the local store.

The 39mm will fit but its tight http://www.pilotodyssey.com/39mm350.htm like Sunblock said boiling water to soften it up is the key.


What about a 36mm PJ? Anyone every drop one of those in? I would have preferred a PWK, but this one was WAY cheap...


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If your going to replace the recoil rope I would buy the recoil rope from Honda since its not a standard size you can get at the local store.


I learned this lesson about 2 months ago. Picked up some rope that I thought looked the same at home depot and ended up having to drill out the handle a little to get the damn rope through!


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Erwin8r wrote:
Hi! I just traded a very clean, well-built Blaster for an '85 FL350. I did it under the pretense of it being for the wife (yeah, ahem, right... :shock: ), and so now I have a nice little project! The first thing it will need is a carb rebuild or new carb. Does anyone know what size Keihin PWK or PJ will fit into the stock manifold? Will the throttle cable work? The carb on there now is old and leaky--salvageable, but I'd rather just swap in a new one. Also, any issues with just sticking a K&N with a prefilter over the back of the carb? Is the airbox necessary? Finally, the fuel pump seems to be on the fritz. Is OEM the way to go, or is there a better (or less expensive) aftermarket alternative. I can get 'er started by blowing on the vacuum line myself, but it doesn't seem to want to start on its own.. TIA!!


HI-welcome.Great to hear of a new purchase-espec the 350!!The carb I best recommend for a 350 IMO that works great with mild to wild upgrades(ie bores-clutches-airbox mods,etc) is the Keihin 35mm PWK,it slides right into the stock intake, the stock choke cable will screw into the carbs base and operates flawlessly,plus the internals do not need to be drasticly changed-I would recommend going to a 45 slow jet from the stock 50 and a main will be dependant on what you have Engine wise-and also you will need to cut a tiny bit off the idle spring to make it idle perfectly.Also with this carb you need to heat your stock rubber air box intake in some warm or boiling water to make it fit on the airbox side of this carb-it takes alittle time but well worth it-do not be alarmed it sounds worse then it really is for sure.(just tricks of the trade)Airbox mods on a 350 are an easy and very inexpensive way to increase performance for the buck-many options exist on how to do-I have a dual air box inlet lid that was produced some time back that works well, I can send 1 over just PM me here,I recommend as well looking in my thread "upgrades to a 350" in there I have posted a very easy and cheap way to mod a airbox using some K&N filters and some old pantyhose from the wife as a prefilter-it works extremely well.
I see as well you have posted some issues with the fuel-first does your tank have any rust in it at-if so I would recommend as I do taking it to a local rad shop and getting it cleaned there-or alot of guys use "kreem" which is liquid that is poured into the tank and coats the insides-I prefer my method as the process at the rad shop of boiling and pressurizing it really loosens the rust up, I have done this many times and have had 0 issues with fuel cells.If the fuel pump is bad-you need to do some testing to see why-have you performed a 'leak down' test on the motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? ))?The test is used to see if you have any leak internally, meaning if the motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) is sucking or loosing air-the pulse line which is the source of air pressure that draws fuel from the tank via the fuel pump will not work to standards.This line is located directly behind the clutch and feeds the fuel pump via the line.If the leak down test is ok, is the line connected properly to the Engine case?-if this line is loose on the case it will not properly suck air-thus the fuel will not be taken from the tank to the pump.Also there is a factory "T" in the fuel system, direct underneath the collar for the tank-if this "T" isnt working properly, the carb will flood miserably causing you much grief and aggravation-check you manual for directions as to checking this for proper flow-it's easy to have 1 of these go bad for sure.Another IMO common problem with fuel systems is people use the wrong OD fuel line-to large of a fuel line will cause you have flooding problems-the ody will not hold"PRIME"causing starting issues,you'll have to crank the crap out of it to get fuel pressure to run.If your current pump is a stock 1-theres a store that sells rebuild kits for them-pilotodysseyperformance.com he is a member here-they work quite well and are under 20 bucks-a MIKUNI aftermarket 1 will run much more and it isnt IMO worth the time and aggravation to fit it in the stock system, just rebuild what you have the kit is simple and very easy to perform.Hope this helps you out somehow.


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Awesome info--thanks!!! There is a Mikuni pump on there now--it looks like someone fitted one, but didn't bolt it down properly 9which caused the vacuum line to kink). I just bought a 36mm PJ, but if the 35mm PWK is the best solution, then I'll hunt one of those down... I'll report back with pics, progress, etc. Thanks again!


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Erwin8r wrote:
Awesome info--thanks!!! There is a Mikuni pump on there now--it looks like someone fitted one, but didn't bolt it down properly 9which caused the vacuum line to kink). I just bought a 36mm PJ, but if the 35mm PWK is the best solution, then I'll hunt one of those down... I'll report back with pics, progress, etc. Thanks again!


Yes-please post some pictures of the ride and any mods, reapirs you do they are always welcome!!!


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Hi and welcome! Sorry so late responding but have been really busy at work the last couple of days. Sounds like everyone has got you going the right direction too. The search function allows you to find alot of great info and pictures too. Still, feel free to ask questions.

Where are you located? Maybe some one close can lend a hand.

Here is my basic run down on 350 upgrades vs stock stuff cut from previous posts...still have questions, just ask and I'll try to clarify.

Ok, I will chime in and give my 2 cents worth. I have over 15 years of experience messing with the 350s and have have found out (mostly the hard way) what works well for my riding style. I am on a tight military budget so most parts I use are either fabbed or bought used from Ebay. Not everyone will agree on the best mods, or good mods so use whatever you like. These are my personal suggestions and opinions. Nows that's a disclaimer! LOL

1. Air Box Mods... The factory airbox, snorkel and tail light box. Great for keeping out dirt, mud, rain ect., but extremely air flow restrictive especially in hopped up machines where you need increased air flow. There are alot of posted pictures of snorkel mods, each a little different and all fix the restrictive problem. Probably best bang for the $15 spent! Avoid any type of "Ram Air" or scoop mod, the air being forced into system will make jetting a nightmare. The Engine WILL pull what it needs with the fore mentioned snorkel mod.

2. Air Filters. Hot debate topic with different views, all require proper oiling and regular cleanings, especially in a dusty environments. A pair of oiled K&N filters with prechargers on a dual snorkel mod with the dual layered oiled foam filter in the box is the best/safest filtering that can be done with excellent air flow, in my opinion.

Factory foam filter(In box) --probably the best filtering but most restrictive because its a very dense type of foam filter over a metal screen cage inside.
Dual stage, Uni foam filters--most commonly used, great flow and good filtration.
K&N filters-- most air flow but least filtering even with the optional outer precharger covers. most expensive also.

pod filters(No box)--again, debatable, you may lose power by removing the box because of the two stroke pulsewave/resonance, loosing the box makes access to the carb much easier, the filter is exposed the elements and needs to be covered when not in use, generally does not like water covered trails!

3. Carbs--again 32mm(stock)is too small for hopped up engines but fine for stockers. If you want your Engine for torque(hard launches, steep climbing, ect) stay small 34-36MM, if you want your Engine to rev high and really pull on top end, ie duning, go big 38MM,39MM,41MM. Of course you will want your port job, larger or smaller carb, reeds, and your exhaust pipe to all be matched to the setup you want to run...high rev or torque.

The more modern flat slide type carbs (PJ, PWK, quadvent(Airstryker), TMX(Mikuni),etc, give a better throttle response than the stock type round slide carbs(PE). I prefer Keihin over Mikuni,mainly because the 350 choke and throttle cables hook up without having to buy adaptors or new cables...and I am used to the jet size numbers.

4. Exhaust pipes-- Stock works well and is the quietest but is restrictive when hopped up. DG, PowerPros and Bills are some that I have tried, and all give good gains. The DG silencer(or lack there of) is horribly loud and has to be swapped out ASAP, generally with a long FMF large CC 2 stroke quad/bike silencer. Turbine 2 cores are a popular choice. Again, some have been tuned/designed for rev or torque.

5. Reeds--Stock are steel and very trust worthy but restrictive on built engines. Boysene makes replacement fiberglass reed pedals for the stock cage in either rev or torque pretty cheap. Also most 250R, CR250, TRX250, ATC250R and pilot reed cages will fit in the 350. I personally prefer the 4 pedal cages(best flow). I also have used a straightened neck boysene Rad Valve, G-3(Mossbarger 8 petal), ESR, Boysene fiberglass on stock cage, and Delta V Force reeds, all with increased power and throttle response over stockers. There has been some verified cases of the V force cage getting sucked into the engines. I don't recall if they were version 1,2, or 3. I have used the 2nd version for years with no problems, yet. Knock on wood. Reeds do not generally make huge power differences, just smooth out a power band, IMHO.

6. Clutches--Again another topic of debate, all require proper cleaning and lube occasionally for proper operation and long clutch life
--- Salisburys(stock) good ol reliable but a lower engagement bogs the Engine for racing but perfect for kids or general puttering around.
---94C-great all round clutch, draw backs are its not easily tunable, but parts can be changed. Most popular swap if you just want to replace the stock unit.
---102C- great for racing because you can adjust engagement and different areas of the powerband by changing springs or cam arms. Draw backs-expensive, without the dustcover can wear parts quickly.
---HRD & Alt--good simple design clutch(very similar to the 94C) except you can adjust puck weights for tuning easier, priced between the 102 and 94. Drawbacks tends to tear up the "D" slot on the cover and possibly has ties to Pilot main bearing failures, none know damage on 350s yet.

7. Porting-- The heart and sole of the Engine, can be mild to full race(wild). If not done correctly, you can ruin an Engine. It needs to be done by a knowledgeable person, not a shade tree(like me). You can take a dremel and clean up casting flaws and other imperfections inside the jug, polish up the exhaust port and make better flow thru the Engine(better power) but avoid changing the size and shape of the openings. That is the timing and could spell disaster if you do it wrong. There are alot of articles written on porting work so if you want to do it, better do the homework...or send to a reputable place such as EEE and not a shady type lurking about(no names, just ask).

8. The little tricks-- here are just a few I use.
--- The stock head gasket is actually three layers. I use only 1 which bumps up the compression some.
---Always use a quailty synthetic oil at 40 or 32:1 with fresh premium gas.
--- Run a liq cooled head and radiator to help control heat especially with a built up Engine.
--- I use an EGT and a water temp gauge to help monitor things.
---Run .190 aluminum rims and lighter weight tires if not in rough/rocky areas, less kenetic mass which allows more power to reach the ground.
---Putting you rubber manifolds and curved airbox to carb rubber boot in boiling water for a short period will aid in attaching them to a larger carb.
---When your cylinder needs the next bore, go to the next size up, do not jump straight to the max bore(82MM). 2 strokes need flow to make big power. Power increase from 78.5MM to 82MM would be very minimal and when that bore is done, you will need to replace the sleeve(expensive).
---Be sure to have the exhaust bridge relieved and cooling holes drilled on the piston during rebuild time. Don't forget to smooth out all ports and transfers edges after a bore job. Hoser(website owner) will bore your cylinder for free, doesn't get any better than that! Huge "Thank You" for helping out the board members and keeping these great machines alive and kicking.
---Do a leakdown test at least annually or after a long vacation of riding. That shouldl catch seals going bad before your Engine leans out and seizes.
---early CR250 mossbarger/elsinore bikes(78/79) used a straight intake manifold and works well for increased flow and larger carbs.
---I do a compression check after every trip and keep it in a log so I know approximate hrs and notice changes in compression(long term ring/cylinder wear)
---If rebuilding with a Honda(Art) piston (78.5-79.5), bore .003, if rebuilding with a Wiesco piston(80-82mm), bore .004-.005 with liq cooling and .005 air cooling. That is due to piston material content and the Wiesco expand more, not the .003 they claim. Trust me, been there done that too many times. Wiesco also claims you should replace the piston after every 20 hrs of run time, or some crummy disclaimer crap like that. They are not bad pistons when run properly.

There is a good start of info to absorb and I am sure other will add to the list too. I am sure I have forgot things too. Good luck,
Gary


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Thanks Sunblock,

I made some updates to the list this morning, that was 4 or 5 years old and needed a little smoothing out. lol

Gary


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I need to figure a way to attach that to this one or have you just do a complete rewrite using all the info?

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Wow, never read that before, guess I need to do more searching around. Feel free to adjust, cut and paste any or all of it, I am just trying to help others and alot of it is my opinions. If you do, I would like to throw more info and expand some on some areas and add a few more areas such as shocks, reverse wires grounding, counter balance oil migration stuff, etc. Or I can do a complete(as possible) 350 write up for you. My job is moving me to Great Falls Mt in about a month so I will be pretty busy but probably could have it done over Xmas break.

If I am missing anything or want to know about something 350ish, let me know, I'll give my best...doesn't mean its right, just my opinions. LOL :-) I would like to put together a 350 big bore tech thing when I have all the bugs worked out. I am going to need alot of help from the precision tech guys like Adnoh, and others to bounce stuff off of. I am thinking Jan/Feb/March for building it.

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Simpy awesome! You guys rock!!!

Ride report: Went out to Glamis this weekend, took the Ody, the KFX450R, and the Blaster. Fiddled with the carb, got the Ody to run, but it was sporadic. It would run fine for a few minutes, then sputter and act asi if it was out of fuel. I wish I had more time to mess with it before I took it out. I did get two, nice, 20 minute runs out in the dunes, chasing a friends Teryx around--the Ody rocked! It was a ton of fun and had NO problem hanging with the Teryx--even witht he bad carburetion! I allegedly bought it for the wife, but I took it out under the "tuniong" pretense--lol!!! I'll start yanking the carb/intake/fuel system off this week and get everything sorted.

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Erwin8r wrote:
Simpy awesome! You guys rock!!!

Ride report: Went out to Glamis this weekend, took the Ody, the KFX450R, and the Blaster. Fiddled with the carb, got the Ody to run, but it was sporadic. It would run fine for a few minutes, then sputter and act asi if it was out of fuel. I wish I had more time to mess with it before I took it out. I did get two, nice, 20 minute runs out in the dunes, chasing a friends Teryx around--the Ody rocked! It was a ton of fun and had NO problem hanging with the Teryx--even witht he bad carburetion! I allegedly bought it for the wife, but I took it out under the "tuniong" pretense--lol!!! I'll start yanking the carb/intake/fuel system off this week and get everything sorted.

Thanks again!

Be careful running it with a intermittent fuel problem you can easily seize the Engine...

Follow MassOdys advice and include Inspect your fuel tank for rust and gunk.


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hoser wrote:
Erwin8r wrote:
Simpy awesome! You guys rock!!!

Ride report: Went out to Glamis this weekend, took the Ody, the KFX450R, and the Blaster. Fiddled with the carb, got the Ody to run, but it was sporadic. It would run fine for a few minutes, then sputter and act asi if it was out of fuel. I wish I had more time to mess with it before I took it out. I did get two, nice, 20 minute runs out in the dunes, chasing a friends Teryx around--the Ody rocked! It was a ton of fun and had NO problem hanging with the Teryx--even witht he bad carburetion! I allegedly bought it for the wife, but I took it out under the "tuniong" pretense--lol!!! I'll start yanking the carb/intake/fuel system off this week and get everything sorted.

Thanks again!

Be careful running it with a intermittent fuel problem you can easily seize the Engine...

Follow MassOdys advice and include Inspect your fuel tank for rust and gunk.


Will do. Should I take it to a radiator shop, or use the cream stuff in the tank? I'm teraing apart the entire fuel system and going over everything systematically...


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Get a NEW tank, some people like the aluminum tanks and other's hate them, you don't have to worry about rust and with the old tank out it gives you room to mess with your carb. The tank on my oddysey is big, you can get them smaller that fit inside the rollcage.

Bob ::-:


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